Ferguson Grand Juror Sues Prosecutor

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Whether or not YOU believe De Blasio's words and actions have created an anti-police atmosphere, it's pretty clear that's exactly what many of THE POLICE believe...and that's exactly what I claimed.....Oh and I said that there were better ways to implement the changes he wanted...like working together behind the scenes...instead of trying to score political points in front of the cameras.

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Since nobody can provide a quote of these words or a newspaper article detailing these actions I am very inclined to believe that he did not. It would be like if somebody told me Alan Leroy wore panties. While I might chuckle at such a notion unless some sort of proof was offered I wouldn't give much credibility to such a claim.

As to your second point what you seem to be saying is in absence of any proof we should just blame the mayor because of you know "feelings." Golly, malibber didn't realize we run government and society based upon the feelings of our political opponents.

I must confess it makes for a strange system if anytime someone's political opponents make a charge or claim against them we accept it as the unquestionable truth and there is no need to look for proof of the charges or claims being made. We sure the heck don't look at the rationality of how they feel. malibber doesn't like "Mitch" McConnell as the things he advocates for hurts malibber's feelings. Can I now count on Alan Leroy to lead my charge in demanding his resignation?

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This is one of your weaknesses Mal, you assume/generalize way too much.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Hatred of the police can occur anywhere, . . . even in small towns like Elzabethtown, Kentucky [population 29,000 give-or-take] at the town's newspaper The News-Enterprise.

On Thursday the paper published a story entitled "Law Enforcement to be Honored for Service", which included an interview with Hardin County Sheriff John Ward. Within the story was the following:


The newspaper has subsequently apologized. It has been reported that a 20-year-old and a 32-year-old working at the copy desk to proofread submissions have been fired. They are unlikely to receive a recommendation-letter for any future employment in the news field.

No fatalities resulted. The Mayor did not get3 involved.

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Originally posted by: malibber2

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Whether or not YOU believe De Blasio's words and actions have created an anti-police atmosphere, it's pretty clear that's exactly what many of THE POLICE believe...and that's exactly what I claimed.....Oh and I said that there were better ways to implement the changes he wanted...like working together behind the scenes...instead of trying to score political points in front of the cameras.

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Since nobody can provide a quote of these words or a newspaper article detailing these actions I am very inclined to believe that he did not. It would be like if somebody told me Alan Leroy wore panties. While I might chuckle at such a notion unless some sort of proof was offered I wouldn't give much credibility such a claim.

As to your second point what you seem to be saying is in absence of any proof we should just blame the mayor because of you know "feelings." Golly, malibber didn't realize we run government and society based upon the feelings of our political opponents.

I must confess it makes for a strange system if anytime someone's political opponents make a charge or claim against them we accept it as the unquestionable truth and there is no need to look for proof of the charges or claims being made. We sure the heck don't look at the rationality of how they feel. malibber doesn't like "Mitch" McConnell as the things he advocates for hurts malibber's feelings. Can I now count on Alan Leroy to lead my charge in demanding his resignation?

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This is one of your weaknesses Mal, you assume/generalize way too much.

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I give you the general rule and you list the exceptions. Here are the 3 biggest employers in the U.S. based upon the number of employees.
1. Wal-Mart
2. Yum! Brands (Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and KFC)
3. McDonald's
Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/22/ten-largest-employers/2680249/

I am guessing if you did a survey of these companies' employees, took a look at these companies policies and procedures regarding the treatment of their employees and their record of their labor law violations you would find a very demoralized workforce and companies that treat their employees like cannon fodder. And a mindset among the board of directors at these companies that is exactly how they want to keep it.

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Originally posted by: jatki99

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Originally posted by: malibber2

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Whether or not YOU believe De Blasio's words and actions have created an anti-police atmosphere, it's pretty clear that's exactly what many of THE POLICE believe...and that's exactly what I claimed.....Oh and I said that there were better ways to implement the changes he wanted...like working together behind the scenes...instead of trying to score political points in front of the cameras.

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Since nobody can provide a quote of these words or a newspaper article detailing these actions I am very inclined to believe that he did not. It would be like if somebody told me Alan Leroy wore panties. While I might chuckle at such a notion unless some sort of proof was offered I wouldn't give much credibility such a claim.

As to your second point what you seem to be saying is in absence of any proof we should just blame the mayor because of you know "feelings." Golly, malibber didn't realize we run government and society based upon the feelings of our political opponents.

I must confess it makes for a strange system if anytime someone's political opponents make a charge or claim against them we accept it as the unquestionable truth and there is no need to look for proof of the charges or claims being made. We sure the heck don't look at the rationality of how they feel. malibber doesn't like "Mitch" McConnell as the things he advocates for hurts malibber's feelings. Can I now count on Alan Leroy to lead my charge in demanding his resignation?

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This is one of your weaknesses Mal, you assume/generalize way too much.

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I give you the general rule and you list the exceptions. Here are the 3 biggest employers in the U.S. based upon the number of employees.
1. Wal-Mart
2. Yum! Brands (Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and KFC)
3. McDonald's
Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/22/ten-largest-employers/2680249/

I am guessing if you did a survey of these companies' employees, took a look at these companies policies and procedures regarding the treatment of their employees and their record of their labor law violations you would find a very demoralized workforce and companies that treat their employees like cannon fodder. And a mindset among the board of directors at these companies that is exactly how they want to keep it.

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1) Unbelievable. Alan gave you excerpts from some sources AND it's general knowledge for anyone who watches or reads the news that the NYPD feels exactly how he sayd and you still don't want to accept it. Simply unbelievable.

2) yes, those corp.s you listed don't have their employees feelings high on there priority list but it's a far,far cry from what you originally posted. Your story/arguement changes from post to post on a whim sometimes Mal.

BTW, I think WMT is the evil corporate incarnate(if such a thing is possible) itself, and if I never have to step foot in one ever again suits me just fine. I had the wife switch to target for the monthly sundries and she likes it so much better, don't care if it's an extra five bucks, worth it.

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From the AOL article Alan linked to:

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A PBA spokesperson has publicly denied the statement's authenticity, but the officer told AOL News that it was a mass-message sent to all officers.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I'm speculating that these two folks who have been fired voted Obama.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Hatred of the police can occur anywhere, . . . even in small towns like Elzabethtown, Kentucky [population 29,000 give-or-take] at the town's newspaper The News-Enterprise.

On Thursday the paper published a story entitled "Law Enforcement to be Honored for Service", which included an interview with Hardin County Sheriff John Ward. Within the story was the following:


The newspaper has subsequently apologized. It has been reported that a 20-year-old and a 32-year-old working at the copy desk to proofread submissions have been fired. They are unlikely to receive a recommendation-letter for any future employment in the news field.

No fatalities resulted. The Mayor did not get3 involved.

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Originally posted by: malibber2

It would be like if somebody told me Alan Leroy wore panties. While I might chuckle at such a notion unless some sort of proof was offered I wouldn't give much credibility such a claim.

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Originally posted by: malibber2

It would be like if somebody told me Alan Leroy wore panties. While I might chuckle at such a notion unless some sort of proof was offered I wouldn't give much credibility such a claim.

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Actually it would be more like learning that your employee really believes you wear panties....and has lost all respect for you because of that. Now you may think he doesn't have to respect you to do his job and after all you don't really wear panties (all the time), but the bottom line is workplace morale does matter...especially in a police force....I don't see how anyone could seriously argue otherwise.

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Originally posted by: malibber2

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Originally posted by: malibber2

It would be like if somebody told me Alan Leroy wore panties. While I might chuckle at such a notion unless some sort of proof was offered I wouldn't give much credibility such a claim.

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Actually it would be more like learning that your employee really believes you wear panties....and has lost all respect for you because of that. Now you may think he doesn't have to respect you to do his job and after all you don't really wear panties (all the time), but the bottom line is workplace morale does matter...especially in a police force....I don't see how anyone could seriously argue otherwise.

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Ok then were back to the irrational belief. You're the boss and the owner of your own company so you can't be fired (just like an elected official) but your employees think you wear panties. Whenever you see your employees out in public places they always point and snicker at you, and you know they are spreading the rumor to people outside the company harming your business reputation. The irrational belief has become so ingrained into your company's culture that your employee's spend at least an hour of work time every day making jokes about you instead of working. Other than fire them what can you do about it?

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Dude, you're screwed. They all think you're a panty wearing guy and they'll never respect you. Your best move now is to bring in a professional manager to deal with the day to day business operation.

Just to be sure you get my position...I'm not arguing whether they are right or wrong...only that's what the police believe to be true....and that really matters too.

I've already said that I personally don't support people being stopped and frisked without probable cause they committed a crime and that I don't believe the Mayor "has Blood on his Hands".

I also suggested that the mayor could have avoided this rift with the police force while still implementing his initiatives if he had worked behind the scenes to make the changes he felt were necessary. That's what good managers do....they get everyone working together. That's obviously not happening.

So where does the buck stop? I think it's on the mayor because he's in charge...but hell maybe you're right...It could just be those uppity union crybabies with cush union jobs and fat union pensions making up crap because...because...they loved to frisk people for no reason and the mayor took that from them....yeah that's the ticket.

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Originally posted by: malibber2

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Dude, you're screwed. They all think you're a panty wearing guy and they'll never respect you. Your best move now is to bring in a professional manager to deal with the day to day business operation.

Just to be sure you get my position...I'm not arguing whether they are right or wrong...only that's what the police believe to be true....and that really matters too.

I've already said that I personally don't support people being stopped and frisked without probable cause they committed a crime and that I don't believe the Mayor "has Blood on his Hands".

I also suggested that the mayor could have avoided this rift with the police force while still implementing his initiatives if he had worked behind the scenes to make the changes he felt were necessary. That's what good managers do....they get everyone working together. That's obviously not happening.

So where does the buck stop? I think it's on the mayor because he's in charge...but hell maybe you're right...It could just be those uppity union crybabies with cush union jobs and fat union pensions making up crap because...because...they loved to frisk people for no reason and the mayor took that from them....yeah that's the ticket.

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I do believe I understand they point of what you are saying. What we differ on is what to do about it. I think though the logical outcome of the Mayor having to resign because most of the rank and file police officers don't support him based upon an irrational belief that was spread by his political enemies.

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