FERGUSON, MISSOURI

6 white males, 3 white women, 1 black male, 2 black women.

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Originally posted by: hoops2
Hope you and your family will be safe


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Originally posted by: rayxtwo
Well, my house is still safe. I called a neighbor a little while ago and asked. That doesn't mean I'll get past Round 2, 3, 4... 99% of all the crap happened around the main streets in town where the media was. I'm making a trip up to it and get the last little things out of it that I'm wanting to keep. I'm sure glad they listed to Brown's parents and protested peacefully.

What was really bad about it, Gov. Nixon didn't have the National Guard come out and help the police control the violence. On the news this morning, the County Police Chief said that he couldn't believe the amount of burning and looting that took place. This moron must have fallen down and hit his head on the concrete about 15 or 20 times.

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Thanks. I'm single and living in Southern Illinois so I'm pretty far away from all the fun. My house got hit by Hurricane Ike about six years ago and had a lot of flood damage. Still fighting the lawyers over that one. I haven't lived in it since. I still own it and have very few items in it. There are still some old baseball scorecards and some other stuff that I never took the time to get out of it that I really want to keep.


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Originally posted by: rayxtwo
6 white males, 3 white women, 1 black male, 2 black women.

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Interesting...but not earth shattering. Curious as to why Brown's lawyer wouldn't have tried for more black jurors ? Perhaps easier to "pass blame" when you don't win ???

Thanks ray
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Originally posted by: pearlguy
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Originally posted by: rayxtwo
6 white males, 3 white women, 1 black male, 2 black women.

Ray


Interesting...but not earth shattering. Curious as to why Brown's lawyer wouldn't have tried for more black jurors ? Perhaps easier to "pass blame" when you don't win ???

Thanks ray


This ain't 1967 Mississippi.

'Burn this b---- down!' Michael Brown's stepfather criticized for reaction to grand jury decision

https://news.yahoo.com/michael-brown-stepfather-burn-this-down-ferguson-video-182317962.html

I'd almost venture to say that the grand jury had come to a decision days before the announcement. Why in the world they waited til 9 at nigh to announce seems pretty stupid to me as it seemed rioting was a foregone conclusion. I don't think it's any shocker that there wasn't any indictment, there were 60 "eyewitness" accounts and it seems aabout a hlf dozen (or better) versions of what happened; hands in the air/not in the air, charging wilson/not charging wilson. It appears the forensics/autopsy corroborated with wilsons testimony.

It's a shame so many see this as nothing more than an opportunity to steal, burn and trash own neighborhood.
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Originally posted by: pearlguy
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Originally posted by: rayxtwo
6 white males, 3 white women, 1 black male, 2 black women.

Ray


Interesting...but not earth shattering. Curious as to why Brown's lawyer wouldn't have tried for more black jurors ? Perhaps easier to "pass blame" when you don't win ???

Thanks ray


Here's how the process of picking the Grand Jury was done.

Selection process

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The reaction is senseless. Sigh
That is because it wasn't a trial it was a grand jury proceeding. There isn't a judge present in a grand jury proceeding. The proceeding is run entirely by the prosecutor. Regardless of how you feel about the facts of the case it was a rigged game. In a normal grand jury proceeding grand jurors are just given the bare outline of the case from the reasons to indict point of view and the prosecutor recommends the charges.

The role is not for the prosecutor to present reasons not to indict the accused. The grand jury isn't supposed to weigh evidence for and against that is the role of the trial jury. The grand jury's role is to simply determine looking at the facts from a worse case point of view for the defendant is there enough evidence to go to trial?

In this case prosecutor took on the role of defense attorney and presented reasons not to indict the accused, and that was a gross miscarriage of justice, and a deviation of how every other criminal case is handled in that state and most others.

The case should have went to trial like any other, but the refs jumped in and sabotaged the case making sure it would never get in front of a jury where both sides of the case would have been presented.

Your analogy of blaming the victim for not winning is invalid as the victim's team was never given a chance to get out on the court. It would be like if you were on an away basketball team headed to your game in a bus and half way there the referees are out in the road, they stop the bus and then they flatten all the tires to keep you from getting to the game.

FYI: Grand Juries also don't require unanimous opinions like a normal jury trial does.

I argue given the unusual nature of this proceeding it looks exactly like Mississippi in 1967.

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Originally posted by: pearlguy
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Originally posted by: rayxtwo
6 white males, 3 white women, 1 black male, 2 black women.

Ray


Interesting...but not earth shattering. Curious as to why Brown's lawyer wouldn't have tried for more black jurors ? Perhaps easier to "pass blame" when you don't win ???

Thanks ray


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Originally posted by: malibber2
That is because it wasn't a trial it was a grand jury proceeding. There isn't a judge present in a grand jury proceeding. The proceeding is run entirely by the prosecutor. Regardless of how you feel about the facts of the case it was a rigged game. In a normal grand jury proceeding grand jurors are just given the bare outline of the case from the reasons to indict point of view and the prosecutor recommends the charges.

The role is not for the prosecutor to present reasons not to indict the accused. The grand jury isn't supposed to weigh evidence for and against that is the role of the trial jury. The grand jury's role is to simply determine looking at the facts from a worse case point of view for the defendant is there enough evidence to go to trial?

In this case prosecutor took on the role of defense attorney and presented reasons not to indict the accused, and that was a gross miscarriage of justice, and a deviation of how ever other criminal case is handled in that state and most others.

The case should have went to trial like any other, but the refs jumped in and sabotaged the case making sure it wouldn't never get in front of a jury where both sides of the case would have been presented.

Your analogy of blaming the victim for not winning is invalid as the victim's team was never given a chance to get out on the court. It would be like if you were on an away basketball team headed to your game in a bus and half way there the referees are out in the road, they stop the bus and then they flatten all the tires to keep you from getting to the game.

FYI: Grand Juries also don't require unanimous opinions like a normal jury trial does.

I argue given the unusual nature of this proceeding it looks exactly like Mississippi in 1967.

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Originally posted by: pearlguy
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Originally posted by: rayxtwo
6 white males, 3 white women, 1 black male, 2 black women.

Ray


Interesting...but not earth shattering. Curious as to why Brown's lawyer wouldn't have tried for more black jurors ? Perhaps easier to "pass blame" when you don't win ???

Thanks ray



That's not quite the way I understood how the evidence is presented but neither here nor there and I think you are dead wrong about steering them away from indictment. I think that the powers that be wanted nothing more than to be able to at least take this to trial, if for nothing else to sooth the tensions that everyone knew would arise.
If they could offer up Wilson as the sacrificial lamb, I think they would in a heartbeat. There's just no way in hell they could ever get a conviction, the evidence didn't even support an indictment.

You are right and that is the whole problem it wasn't presented like it would have been in every other grand jury proceeding in that state. In this case they even let the accused testify and give his version of events without having to be subject to cross examination.

It was rigged and it stinks.

Furthermore, indictment in this state requires 9 of the 12 grand jurors to agree. So all the prosecutor had to do was convince 4 of the twelve jurors not to indict the officer. Again in a grand jury proceeding the prosecutor controls what evidence is presented and what is not there is no opposing counsel that can object to any of the evidence or the manner in which it was presented. There is no judge present to keep the prosecutor honest.

Bottom line is Brown's family didn't get a fair trial and process which is what they deserved. I doubt if Obama has the balls to do it, but the Feds need to step in and pop the county government, police force and prosecutors office for civil rights violations.


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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: malibber2
That is because it wasn't a trial it was a grand jury proceeding. There isn't a judge present in a grand jury proceeding. The proceeding is run entirely by the prosecutor. Regardless of how you feel about the facts of the case it was a rigged game. In a normal grand jury proceeding grand jurors are just given the bare outline of the case from the reasons to indict point of view and the prosecutor recommends the charges.

The role is not for the prosecutor to present reasons not to indict the accused. The grand jury isn't supposed to weigh evidence for and against that is the role of the trial jury. The grand jury's role is to simply determine looking at the facts from a worse case point of view for the defendant is there enough evidence to go to trial?

In this case prosecutor took on the role of defense attorney and presented reasons not to indict the accused, and that was a gross miscarriage of justice, and a deviation of how ever other criminal case is handled in that state and most others.

The case should have went to trial like any other, but the refs jumped in and sabotaged the case making sure it wouldn't never get in front of a jury where both sides of the case would have been presented.

Your analogy of blaming the victim for not winning is invalid as the victim's team was never given a chance to get out on the court. It would be like if you were on an away basketball team headed to your game in a bus and half way there the referees are out in the road, they stop the bus and then they flatten all the tires to keep you from getting to the game.

FYI: Grand Juries also don't require unanimous opinions like a normal jury trial does.

I argue given the unusual nature of this proceeding it looks exactly like Mississippi in 1967.

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Originally posted by: pearlguy
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Originally posted by: rayxtwo
6 white males, 3 white women, 1 black male, 2 black women.

Ray


Interesting...but not earth shattering. Curious as to why Brown's lawyer wouldn't have tried for more black jurors ? Perhaps easier to "pass blame" when you don't win ???

Thanks ray



That's not quite the way I understood how the evidence is presented but neither here nor there and I think you are dead wrong about steering them away from indictment. I think that the powers that be wanted nothing more than to be able to at least take this to trial, if for nothing else to sooth the tensions that everyone knew would arise.
If they could offer up Wilson as the sacrificial lamb, I think they would in a heartbeat. There's just no way in hell they could ever get a conviction, the evidence didn't even support an indictment.


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