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Fifty GOP National Security experts rip Trump.

billryan
billryan
Aug 9, 2016
5:23am
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
The war wasn't a mistake.
The management of the war......That was a god damned Greek tragedy.


You don't think preemptive invasion of a country under false pretenses was a mistake?
The way the war was managed was a joke, many career Officers were forced into retirement before it because of their objections, but there was no reason to invade in the first place. Anyone with a sense of history could have predicted the results but Cheney and Rumsfeld thought they knew more than the Generals. Where else have I heard that recently?
alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Aug 9, 2016
5:25am
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
The war wasn't a mistake.
The management of the war......That was a god damned Greek tragedy.


You don't think preemptive invasion of a country under false pretenses was a mistake?
The way the war was managed was a joke, many career Officers were forced into retirement before it because of their objections, but there was no reason to invade in the first place. Anyone with a sense of history could have predicted the results but Cheney and Rumsfeld thought they knew more than the Generals. Where else have I heard that recently?
Hillary on Libya? Or withdrawing from Iraq? Or the Red Line in Syria?

alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Aug 9, 2016
5:29am
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
The war wasn't a mistake.
The management of the war......That was a god damned Greek tragedy.


You don't think preemptive invasion of a country under false pretenses was a mistake?
Well there's one thing I agree with you on. Should have stuck with the Powell Doctrine

1.Is a vital national security interest threatened?
2.Do we have a clear attainable objective?
3.Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
4.Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
5.Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
6.Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
7.Is the action supported by the American people?
8.Do we have genuine broad international support?

billryan
billryan
Aug 9, 2016
5:46am
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
The war wasn't a mistake.
The management of the war......That was a god damned Greek tragedy.


You don't think preemptive invasion of a country under false pretenses was a mistake?
The way the war was managed was a joke, many career Officers were forced into retirement before it because of their objections, but there was no reason to invade in the first place. Anyone with a sense of history could have predicted the results but Cheney and Rumsfeld thought they knew more than the Generals. Where else have I heard that recently?
Hillary on Libya? Or withdrawing from Iraq? Or the Red Line in Syria?



You act as if the U.S. invaded Libya or Syria.
In both cases, there was already a widespread civil war going on with the government forces slaughtering its own people. The Allied coalition intervened to stop the slaughter.

alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Aug 9, 2016
6:23am
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
The war wasn't a mistake.
The management of the war......That was a god damned Greek tragedy.


You don't think preemptive invasion of a country under false pretenses was a mistake?
The way the war was managed was a joke, many career Officers were forced into retirement before it because of their objections, but there was no reason to invade in the first place. Anyone with a sense of history could have predicted the results but Cheney and Rumsfeld thought they knew more than the Generals. Where else have I heard that recently?
Hillary on Libya? Or withdrawing from Iraq? Or the Red Line in Syria?



You act as if the U.S. invaded Libya or Syria.
In both cases, there was already a widespread civil war going on with the government forces slaughtering its own people. The Allied coalition intervened to stop the slaughter.
We need to stay out of other country's civil wars. Now Libya is a failed nation state and terrorist haven. Thanks Hillary! There's lots of people being killed in civil wars all over the globe. There's plenty of dictators who kill their people...including some who really do have WMDs. Do you want to start bombing them all?

forkushV
forkushV
Aug 9, 2016
8:18am
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: billryan
Have you found one piece of evidence that Trump was against the war yet? Just one. Anything that predates the invasion? I heard there was a bounty for it. That and the video of the thousands of Arabs celebrating in Jersey. on September 11th.
How about a statement from Pence recognizing the war was a mistake?
There's plenty of evidence that Trump did not support the Iraq War...
Prior to the war? Plenty? In that case it should be easy for you to come up with a few examples.
billryan
billryan
Aug 9, 2016
8:28am
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Trump complained that the uncertainty leading up to the war was making it harder to sell bonds he needed to keep his casinos going.
Then he complained that the Federal Government wasn't funding his proposed Trump City infrastructure, wasting money on Iraq instead.
What a humanitarian.
pjstroh
pjstroh
Aug 9, 2016
9:13am
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It says a lot when even the neo-cons are afraid of letting Trump near the button.
alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Aug 9, 2016
10:29am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
It says a lot when even the neo-cons are afraid of letting Trump near the button.
Yes it does say a lot. The establishment fears change.

I thought you liberals didn't like the neo-cons. Of course, they never liked Trump. Especially when he said Bush lied about the Iraq War....Wait a minute...that's what you liberals used to say about Bush.

Too bad Chicken Hawk Hillary thinks more like a neo-con on National Security than a real Liberal or a Libertarian. We might have some common ground.

alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Aug 9, 2016
10:32am
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: billryan
Have you found one piece of evidence that Trump was against the war yet? Just one. Anything that predates the invasion? I heard there was a bounty for it. That and the video of the thousands of Arabs celebrating in Jersey. on September 11th.
How about a statement from Pence recognizing the war was a mistake?
There's plenty of evidence that Trump did not support the Iraq War...
Prior to the war? Plenty? In that case it should be easy for you to come up with a few examples.
All I said was Trump did not support the war....and Hillary did. I already showed several examples of him attacking the cost and the 'mess'. If you want to dispute my argument it should be easy for you to come up with a few examples of his fervent Iraq War support.

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