Flagellating a Deceased Equine

It never occurred to me that I should try and promote any of my websites here. But, then, none of my websites are Vegas related, none are trying to sell anything, they don't even have ads. I guess I'd just be driving up hosting costs for no monetary gain. I guess I'm not good at marketing. Maybe I need an infomercial.

I don't understand that. Should the client have just run the infomercial once, taken the profit, and gone straight home with his win?

Self publsih? Was this some Vanity Press thing? You've got the wrong business model in the information age. Maybe if it was an e-book that sold for $2.95 you could make $1.00 a copy but sell a thousand times the $30 hardback. I'd buy a download for $2.95. I might pay a buck for the Singer Analysis...especially if it had a catchier title.....I might be more inclined to buy stuff if I could just click on the link to your web site rather than having to copy and paste it into my browser....I'm pretty lazy on my mouse clicks.

IF you choose to "educate" me, than please include ALL pertinent information.

If your clients infomercial airs 300 times, and the air time is $4K each, that's another 1.2 million.

And means how many more books must be sold just to recover costs of the infomercial and airtime?

But you gain, whether your client make money or not, you gain.

Please, don't "educate" me. Because I just do not believe most of what you "report" or claim, whether it's related to gambling, gaming, SPS, "interviewing 4 presidents", or so many other messages you've authored.

You are good at omitting or ignoring pertinent information, and expounding on the drivel. Asking the same quesitons over and over because of "new" information.

Someone (FS) has stated he will no longer communicate with you, yet you continue to address him. Several times. WHY? He has not come back and answered you. He made a statement and has kept to it. What, you did not believe him?

And than, in a thread where he specifically asked for no responses unless you purchased his book, you just had to disrespect him and his plainly worded request, to "educate" him and everyone else reading the thread about the infomercial business.

Hijack the thread to promote yourself and your personal agenda.

Just rude.

Of course, that is only my opinion, and may or may not reflect the opinions of other forum users.

Still better than $177 for a used copy on Amazon.

Roadtrip when you're right you're right. There aren't enough potential customers for Frank to do an infomercial. You need a sellable product or service to justify an infomercial. I like the idea about a web edition at $1 per download.

Once again, I perceive implied disrespect in your message.

Frank does have a saleable product, I hope it makes the NY Times Best Seller List.

However, the market is specialized, and sales volume will most likely not be through the roof. I do wish him the best, and sincerely hope he needs to reprint sometime in the future.

Although an e-edition would be nice, I believe $1.00 is too cheap, and once again, believe you've intentionall disrespected Frank, and his work.

JMHO, of course.

It's passive aggressive disrespect.

I would call this 100% correct. Money likes to ignore people and information that doesn't suit him. Yet, he can't stand to be ignored........

Frank Kneeland clearly stated his motives for posting here are not sales related. Money's response: let me give you multiple sales pitches promoting my own business (Frank, please be my customer, please, please).

@ Frank, I apologize for being one of the people that posted without having bought your book. My intention was not to hijack the topic but to compliment you on the way you operate and to ridicule the person that made you start this topic.

Although I do agree with a previous statement made by another poster. You did not prove your point. You came to the final conclusion in one day and the ones that "made" you respond to their allegations will find arguments to disagree with your conclusion:
- Drawing a favorable conclusion for yourself in one day is too soon
- You just posted this to "trigger" people so they would actually start buying your book
- Those that bought your book because of your posting on LVA didn't post in this topic because they hate Singer

Do I need to go on? I know these are silly reasons but that's the way some people work......

Nah...don't sweat it. Hijack away. I've retitled the thread to something more appropriate.

I've stated my side. Others are stating theirs. I'll rest easy that I've done what I can for the cause of reason.

You were also correct that ending the thread after one day was too soon to prove anything to anyone else. Remember I already knew how many books I've sold to LVA members since I started posting. But you're right we should let it go a bit longer to prove what I already know to others. I'll start a new thread.

As far as me trying to trigger sales with this post I have to say that was not my intent, but I'm at a loss as to how to prove that. Rob had made a statement that I post to generate advertising and sales and I felt that this diminished the value of what I am trying to do here which is help people without wanting anything in return.

Frank, again you do not have to prove anything because Singer makes a statement. It didn't cross my mind for a second that your contributions were intented to improve your sales numbers. With MoneyLa, I feel differently. He has been posting links to his own website from the get go. A number of his points have too much of a "self promotion" feel and he talks about infomercials when he sees a chance even when it's highly off topic. To me that's self promotion and it's obvious.

None of your posts have given me that feeling. And the second thing I was trying to say is that no matter how hard you try to prove anything, if the minds of those you are trying to convince are already made up, there's no use. They will find arguments why your proof isn't proof. I believe Singer has strong opinions of AP'ers and VP authors and I do not believe you have been able to change any of that. His recent posts have been more proof than I need. So even though your second try is noble (and I applaud you for it), if it's intented to prove your point to those that can't be convinced (or better yet, don't want to be convinced or admit that they are wrong), don't bother......And as far as Singer is concerned, admitting he was wrong or admitting that he jumped to conclusions is HIGHLY unlikely. He's simply too convinced he's right, about anything.......

I would also like to respond to this statement you made:
"Rob had made a statement that I post to generate advertising and sales and I felt that this diminished the value of what I am trying to do here which is help people without wanting anything in return."

IMHO, a far more important question is:
"how many people, active on this site, actually think you're doing something else than helping without wanting anything in return?"

I believe that count is 0 to very low.