Founder Of Alt-Right Movement And Trump Supporter: America Belongs To White Men

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I can post several quotes of Trump where he specifically casts stereotypes of broad groups of people based upon race, religion, or gender. That is the definition of racism. And I'm sure AlanLeroy will desperately try to rationalize every single one of them.

Well first of all Religion and Gender have absolutely nothing to do with Racism. I kind of thought you didn't really know what 'Openly Racist' meant. It's obvious you don't. I hope you actually read the article I linked to....Someone who is Openly Racist doesn't make speeches praising African Americans and pledge to help those that are less fortunate out of the cycle of poverty. They make speeches that are anti-African American. Duh.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh


He just did it with the birther conspiracy. My IQ isn't low enough to discuss the birther conspiracy with someone who pretends not to understand it's racist undertones and the way it was used to rile up the David Duke wing of the Republican Party....which is why people like David Duke are such rabid Trump fans.... AlanLeroy is blissfully obtuse to this fact and I'm happy to leave him that way.

How is questioning someone's citizenship racist? People questioned John McCain's Citizenship. People questioned Ted Cruz's Citizenship. Again. I just don't think you understand what Openly Racist means.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

AlanLeroy tells us he could not support Trump for his divisive campaign...but anyone who calls out that divisiveness is "playing the race card". What a joke, You're officially out of the closet, Alan. Put on your rainbow sweater and enjoy your freedom as a Trump cheerleader. I think you'll sleep better. Ask DonDiego how it feels.

I have never said I could not support Trump 'for his divisive campaign'. I said I thought he was a flawed candidate...and so was Hillary. PJ now has to create new lies to try to attack me. Fits your Party profile to a T though. The liar who's part of the Party of Lies. But regardless of how I felt before the election, I will support OUR President. I will give him a chance...Just like President Obama and Candidate Clinton asked....Just like I did when President Obama was elected. That's what patriotic Americans do. I don't expect PJ to follow suit.

Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, has an explanation for why people like Malibber and pjstroh are freaking out...So it kind of helps explain why all they've got left is their small minded personal attacks and claims of open racism and Hitler is president.

"The election of Donald Trump to the Presidency of the United States has effectively forked reality into two versions that are running in parallel. Clinton’s supporters believe they are living in a world that is a repeat of 1930s Germany, with Trump playing the part of Adolf Hitler.

Meanwhile, the other half of the country believes we elected a highly-capable populist who will “drain the swamp” and bring a business approach to government along with greater prosperity."

"Given this set-up, most normal human minds would assume the problem was with other people. That’s how cognitive dissonance works. We like to think we are rational while others are not. So you would expect in this situation that Clinton supporters would enter a type of dream state in which they interpret their reality as being surrounded by racist-sexist-stupid citizens who just elected a genocidal dictator. They have to enter this dream because the only alternative involves believing that they themselves are gullible and deluded. "

Gullible and deluded indeed.

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Its possible for someone to be a scumbag of a human being and still be good at their job. Ty Cobb comes to mind. Will this dynamic play out with a President Trump? I Don't know. I will judge his presidency on his legislation and leadership on key issues. But make no mistake about it - America has put a true scumbag into the White House. He is racist, misogynist, elitist, narcissistic, unethical in business and a pathological liar...and has brought political discourse in this country to a level not seen since the 60's.

A partial list of Openly Racist actions/quotes from Donald Trump that AlanLeroy will defend or deny

1) Here is all the goods that led to Donald Trump's discrimination lawsuit against black people. It was anchored by : Investigation Agents of different colors given different answers about availability of housing....and direct testimony from Trump Employees who were told to dissuade black people from applying...and marking applications with code based on race.
Washington Post


2) Donald Trump says American judge can not preside over his case because he's Mexican. And just so there is no bitching about context...you can see Donald Trump elaborate why the judge can not do his job based upon his race.
Politifact

3)John O'Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza:
"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes… Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else…Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.”
O’Donnell’s report was shocking, but Trump did not contest it at the time. In 1997 he was interviewed for Playboy by author Mark Bowden and he confirmed that the O’Donnell book was “probably true.”
Fortune
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Its possible for someone to be a scumbag of a human being and still be good at their job. Ty Cobb comes to mind. Will this dynamic play out with a President Trump? I Don't know. I will judge his presidency on his legislation and leadership on key issues. But make no mistake about it - America has put a true scumbag into the White House. He is racist, misogynist, elitist, narcissistic, unethical in business and a pathological liar...and has brought political discourse in this country to a level not seen since the 60's.

A partial list of Openly Racist actions/quotes from Donald Trump that AlanLeroy will defend or deny

1) Here is all the goods that led to Donald Trump's discrimination lawsuit against black people. It was anchored by : Investigation Agents of different colors given different answers about availability of housing....and direct testimony from Trump Employees who were told to dissuade black people from applying...and marking applications with code based on race.
Washington Post


2) Donald Trump says American judge can not preside over his case because he's Mexican. And just so there is no bitching about context...you can see Donald Trump elaborate why the judge can not do his job based upon his race.
Politifact

3)John O'Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza:
"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes… Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else…Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.”
O’Donnell’s report was shocking, but Trump did not contest it at the time. In 1997 he was interviewed for Playboy by author Mark Bowden and he confirmed that the O’Donnell book was “probably true.”
Fortune


So after all these claims of Open Racism....THIS is all PJ has.

1. A 40 year old lawsuit against one of Trumps businesses where he settled and admitted no wrongdoing.
2. An attack on a Mexican-American Judge.....Mexican-American is not a RACE. "Trump has insulted in various offensive ways, including 140 separate incidents of him calling someone “dopey” or “dummy” on Twitter, and you expect him to hold his mouth just because the guy is a 'Mexican'"?.
3. PJ gives us the words of a disgruntled ex-employee. According to Snopes "neither the statement nor the sentiment behind it has been corroborated elsewhere." Snopes..

70 years on this earth and that's PJ's proof of the 'Open Racism" of Donald Trump. The 'Hitler' of our time.

I loved Scott Alexander's admonition of those participating in the smear....

"Stop crying wolf. God forbid, one day we might have somebody who doesn’t give speeches about how diversity makes this country great and how he wants to fight for minorities, who doesn’t pose holding a rainbow flag and state that he proudly supports transgender people, who doesn’t outperform his party among minority voters, who wasn’t the leader of the Salute to Israel Parade, and who doesn’t offer minorities major cabinet positions. And we won’t be able to call that guy an “openly white supremacist Nazi homophobe”, because we already wasted all those terms this year.

Stop talking about dog whistles. The kabbalistic similarities between “dog-whistling” and “wolf-crying” are too obvious to ignore.

Stop writing articles breathlessly following everything the KKK says. Stop writing several times more articles about the KKK than there are actual Klansmen. Remember that thing where Trump started out as a random joke, and then the media covered him way more than any other candidate because he was so outrageous, and gave him what was essentially free advertising, and then he became President-elect of the United States? Is the lesson you learned from this experience that you need 24-7 coverage of the Ku Klux Klan?

Stop using the words “white nationalist” to describe Trump. When you describe someone as a white nationalist, and then they win, people start thinking white nationalism won. People like winners. This was entirely an own-goal and the perception that white nationalism is now the winning team has 1% to do with Trump and 99% to do with his critics."


White nationalism did win Alan. I am not going to lie about it because you think it best for the country to pretend Trump's movement had nothing to do with it. Without the white nationalists and mother Russia Trump would have never made it out of the primary.



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Originally posted by: alanleroyII


So after all these claims of Open Racism....THIS is all PJ has.


No..hence the phrase "partial list". I could list more - but I also said that you would defend or deny the ones I post. You did. And you would with any others.

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
1. A 40 year old lawsuit against one of Trumps businesses where he settled and admitted no wrongdoing.


Thats right...he's not guilty in a court of law for housing discrimination. he settled it out of court....like the banks in the wake of the 2008 crisis. But the details of the investigation are clear and a matter of record - none of which you have the courage to challenge because they are not challengeable. Alanleroy will not explain why white and black investigators were given different details of Trump's housing availability. And AlanLeroy wont challenge the other items either. Because alanleroy is not the objective centrist he pretends to be.

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII

2. An attack on a Mexican-American Judge.....Mexican-American is not a RACE. "Trump has insulted in various offensive ways, including 140 separate incidents of him calling someone “dopey” or “dummy” on Twitter, and you expect him to hold his mouth just because the guy is a 'Mexican'"?.


Right again. Trump has insulted people on a wide variety of levels of ignorance. In this case it was the man's Latin geneaology. And that's racist. Just because he's ignorant in other contexts with other people doesn't make this comment non-racist. Ask liberal, dog whistler Paul Ryan: " House Speaker Paul Ryan ripped Donald Trump's recent remarks saying a judge presiding over a lawsuit involving his business was biased because of his Mexican heritage as "the textbook definition of a racist comment."

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII

3. PJ gives us the words of a disgruntled ex-employee. According to Snopes "neither the statement nor the sentiment behind it has been corroborated elsewhere."


Yes it was. By Donald Trump himself. See my original post and source.

Alan, its a free country. You can look the other way in the face of all the evidence and presume everyone else in the world is lying except Donald Trump. But do him a favor. Put on some lipstick. Mr Trump likes his bitches to look pretty.

Isolated incidents. Nothing to see.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Yes it was. By Donald Trump himself. See my original post and source.

Alan, its a free country. You can look the other way in the face of all the evidence and presume everyone else in the world is lying except Donald Trump. But do him a favor. Put on some lipstick. Mr Trump likes his bitches to look pretty.


"As the Washington Post noted, it is, at best, a secondhand quote from a private conversation, written down years after the fact, and should be viewed "with some skepticism."

And Trump most certainly did deny that quote...

"MR. TRUMP: I hardly know this guy. He was running one of my casinos for a short period of time. He was fired, we fired him because he wasn't doing a very good job. He wrote this nasty book. He made up stuff. This is like Jon Lovitz on "Saturday Night Live," the liar. "I went to Harvard. Yeah, I went to Harvard." This guy, I hardly know him. He made up this quote. I've heard the quote before, and it's nonsense."

ALL WHAT EVIDENCE? A 40 year old lawsuit. A second hand quote from a disgruntled ex-employee which Trump does deny. This is what we call Open Racism today? Are you really that stupid? And as for your 'lipstick" comment....Just go fuck yourself, asshole. I didn't even vote for Trump....but I've met people who are 'Openly Racist'....I know what that means. You obviously don't.

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Originally posted by: malibber2
White nationalism did win Alan. I am not going to lie about it because you think it best for the country to pretend Trump's movement had nothing to do with it. Without the white nationalists and mother Russia Trump would have never made it out of the primary.

Well first you blamed it on the FBI director. Now it's the Russians and White Nationalists. Tomorrow maybe it will be space aliens.
You are still crying wolf.

"Given this set-up, most normal human minds would assume the problem was with other people. That’s how cognitive dissonance works. We like to think we are rational while others are not. So you would expect in this situation that Clinton supporters would enter a type of dream state in which they interpret their reality as being surrounded by racist-sexist-stupid citizens who just elected a genocidal dictator. They have to enter this dream because the only alternative involves believing that they themselves are gullible and deluded. "


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When you have the creator of Dilbert on your side, who cares what those stuffy academics say.
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Originally posted by: billryan
When you have the creator of Dilbert on your side, who cares what those stuffy academics say.
Scott Adams is a pretty intelligent guy. If you can refute him, then let's hear your argument....otherwise maybe go back to your 'isolated incident' comment. It was smarter.

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