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Free Speech Dies at Berkeley

Tutontow
Tutontow
Feb 2, 2017
8:42am
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Why isn't there any liberal leadership stepping up and condemning such behavior?


I'm not part of the liberal leadership but I have no problem condemning the protests. People need to listen more to the other side - even if the other side has stupid ideas. I'm concerned about a liberal version of the Tea-Party that seems to be arising and demanding unconditional obstruction to everything.

Obstruction should be based on the merit of each individual issue - not spite for the people who put it on the table. People who act on the latter hurt their own credibility.


You sir, are not a leftist. A liberal, yes.

I welcomed the tea party idea when it started, the republican party needed some change. But gees, that went sour fast. I can only imagine that is what is happening with the ultra progressive, far left zealots that seem to be taking over the democrat party.


You two nailed it this time. Very well said. People need to at least listen to the other side. Even a broke clock is right twice a day. IMHO a lot of the problems we have come from people getting all of their news from sources they agree with. Consequently you come to absolutely distrust and dislike the other side. I'm of the mindset that if you keep your ears and eyes open long enough everyone may eventually have a good idea.

billryan
billryan
Feb 2, 2017
10:46am
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Get this. If the campus police feel there is going to be a violent protest when there is a controversial speaker, they will charge the speaker (not the protesters) ahead of time for police services. If they refuse to pay, then they are not allowed to speak. For this particular gentleman, the bill was around $6,500 or so. An anonymous donor came forward and put up the money for him. The liberals look really, really bad on this. Why isn't there any liberal leadership stepping up and condemning such behavior?



Not defending what happened here, but anytime a campus activity requires extra police or security, the organization sponsoring the event is responsible for it. No matter if it's a rugby tournament, or a film festival.
Or a speaker who will bring out protesters. It was like that at Nassau when my fraternity ran film festivals, or R.I.T when we did rugby tournaments.
Who do you think should pay?
Roulette Man
Roulette Man
Feb 2, 2017
11:03am
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Get this. If the campus police feel there is going to be a violent protest when there is a controversial speaker, they will charge the speaker (not the protesters) ahead of time for police services. If they refuse to pay, then they are not allowed to speak. For this particular gentleman, the bill was around $6,500 or so. An anonymous donor came forward and put up the money for him. The liberals look really, really bad on this. Why isn't there any liberal leadership stepping up and condemning such behavior?



Not defending what happened here, but anytime a campus activity requires extra police or security, the organization sponsoring the event is responsible for it. No matter if it's a rugby tournament, or a film festival.
Or a speaker who will bring out protesters. It was like that at Nassau when my fraternity ran film festivals, or R.I.T when we did rugby tournaments.
Who do you think should pay?


Like any other damage that is done to property or person, the perpetrators should be charged for it.
malibber2
malibber2
Feb 2, 2017
12:07pm
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I don’t condone violence or vandalism, but the right to peacefully protest a speaker you disagree with is an integral part of free speech. Yiannopoulos is a white supremacist. Generally, when white supremacists hold rallies more people turn out to protest them than listen to them. This is what happened here nothing more nothing less. The violence and vandalism was created not by the Berkley students but rather an outside group that showed up to confront him. Personally, I don’t feel the need to waste my time listing to what white supremacists have to say because I have heard it all before.

If you want to see what real free speech suppression is look at what the Republicans are doing in Hawaii. They removed their minority leader because she refused to take an oath demanding she not criticize Donald Trump no matter what he does or says.

Roulette Man
Roulette Man
Feb 2, 2017
12:23pm
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Originally posted by: malibber2
I don’t condone violence or vandalism, but the right to peacefully protest a speaker you disagree with is an integral part of free speech. Yiannopoulos is a white supremacist. Generally, when white supremacists hold rallies more people turn out to protest them than listen to them. This is what happened here nothing more nothing less. The violence and vandalism was created not by the Berkley students but rather an outside group that showed up to confront him. Personally, I don’t feel the need to waste my time listing to what white supremacists have to say because I have heard it all before.

If you want to see what real free speech suppression is look at what the Republicans are doing in Hawaii. They removed their minority leader because she refused to take an oath demanding she not criticize Donald Trump no matter what he does or says.


I kind of feel the same about listening to Hillary and all of the corruption associated with her.
billryan
billryan
Feb 2, 2017
12:58pm
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Get this. If the campus police feel there is going to be a violent protest when there is a controversial speaker, they will charge the speaker (not the protesters) ahead of time for police services. If they refuse to pay, then they are not allowed to speak. For this particular gentleman, the bill was around $6,500 or so. An anonymous donor came forward and put up the money for him. The liberals look really, really bad on this. Why isn't there any liberal leadership stepping up and condemning such behavior?



Not defending what happened here, but anytime a campus activity requires extra police or security, the organization sponsoring the event is responsible for it. No matter if it's a rugby tournament, or a film festival.
Or a speaker who will bring out protesters. It was like that at Nassau when my fraternity ran film festivals, or R.I.T when we did rugby tournaments.
Who do you think should pay?


Like any other damage that is done to property or person, the perpetrators should be charged for it.


Great idea. How would you bill them in advance?
Maybe we should charge criminals in advance for the police they cause us to hire.
Roulette Man
Roulette Man
Feb 2, 2017
1:19pm
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Get this. If the campus police feel there is going to be a violent protest when there is a controversial speaker, they will charge the speaker (not the protesters) ahead of time for police services. If they refuse to pay, then they are not allowed to speak. For this particular gentleman, the bill was around $6,500 or so. An anonymous donor came forward and put up the money for him. The liberals look really, really bad on this. Why isn't there any liberal leadership stepping up and condemning such behavior?



Not defending what happened here, but anytime a campus activity requires extra police or security, the organization sponsoring the event is responsible for it. No matter if it's a rugby tournament, or a film festival.
Or a speaker who will bring out protesters. It was like that at Nassau when my fraternity ran film festivals, or R.I.T when we did rugby tournaments.
Who do you think should pay?


Like any other damage that is done to property or person, the perpetrators should be charged for it.


Great idea. How would you bill them in advance?
Maybe we should charge criminals in advance for the police they cause us to hire.


I didn't know you were this slow. If I go and break the windshield of your car and I get caught, I should be liable for it and you would seek recourse from me. Do you get it or do I need to break it down further for you?

herbrawt
herbrawt
Feb 2, 2017
2:12pm
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Like any other damage that is done to property or person, the perpetrators should be charged for it.


The authorities would need to pursue the perpetrators for this to happen.
billryan
billryan
Feb 2, 2017
2:44pm
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Get this. If the campus police feel there is going to be a violent protest when there is a controversial speaker, they will charge the speaker (not the protesters) ahead of time for police services. If they refuse to pay, then they are not allowed to speak. For this particular gentleman, the bill was around $6,500 or so. An anonymous donor came forward and put up the money for him. The liberals look really, really bad on this. Why isn't there any liberal leadership stepping up and condemning such behavior?



Not defending what happened here, but anytime a campus activity requires extra police or security, the organization sponsoring the event is responsible for it. No matter if it's a rugby tournament, or a film festival.
Or a speaker who will bring out protesters. It was like that at Nassau when my fraternity ran film festivals, or R.I.T when we did rugby tournaments.
Who do you think should pay?


Like any other damage that is done to property or person, the perpetrators should be charged for it.


Great idea. How would you bill them in advance?
Maybe we should charge criminals in advance for the police they cause us to hire.


I didn't know you were this slow. If I go and break the windshield of your car and I get caught, I should be liable for it and you would seek recourse from me. Do you get it or do I need to break it down further for you?


Are you suggesting that because the republicans had to pony up for the extra security that you think the vandals got a free ride? Since someone else paid for the police to be there, that criminals don't pay for their actions when caught?
Just what are you proposing? That police send a bill in advance to the people most likely to cause destruction?
In most cases, the group simply posts a bond. If extra police are needed, they pay for them. If people are caught causing damage, you have both civil and criminal courts to take action.

Don
Don
Feb 2, 2017
8:16pm
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Ahh, . . . . Good News !

Even as Freedom of Speech dies on many campuses within the United States, Freedom of the Press still persists elsewhere in the country.

Mr. Yiannopoulos' latest book has risen to #3 on the Amazon sales listing.
Ref: Amazon
[n.b.The referenced page changes as sales change; as DonDiego posts the subject book is #3]
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