Governor Pence finally did it (POL)

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RFRA's are in place to protect the First Amendment rights of all people. The reaction to the Indiana RFRA is a hysterical assault on First Amendment rights being fueled by anti-Christian bigots. That form of discrimination is not good.



Media driven hate.
Where is the language in the law that says business's don't have to serve gays? Or is this a story by the media to keep obama's Iranian & Yemen fiasco in the background?
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Where is the language in the law that says business's don't have to serve gays? Or is this a story by the media to keep obama's Iranian & Yemen fiasco in the background?


If the law does not say that business don't have to serve gays then what is the point of the law? How come the Indiana lawmakers can't or don't want to explain what this law means?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. -

Do these devout Christians think they won't get into Heaven if they bake a wedding cake or serve flowers for a gay wedding? Maybe they should just put up a sign that says they do not serve sinners. Or do they just want to be able to pick and choose the sinners they will accept as customers.
Purdue began as a technology school with students graduating with "Bachelor of Science" degrees.............as I did. We build stuff, write software, create things, and go into outer space. Chilly likely doesn't know that 23 Purdue graduates have visited outer space.............including Neil Armstrong (first man on the Moon) and Gene Cernan (last man on the Moon). Armstrong graduated with a Aeronautical Engineering degree, while Cernan graduated with an Electrical Engineering degree.

More than ever, American employers are seeking young graduates who possess technical degrees. If one walks out of Purdue with a engineering degree, one walks out of Purdue with a job. Did Chilly study English, or something of the sort?


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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Does Forkie believe that only certain folks have rights and who is the arbiter of who's thoughts are protected and who's thoughts are not protected?
Purdue University was founded in 1869. It was originally intended as an industrial college, dedicated to training workers in the industrial arts of the day: lifting things, carrying them to and fro, wiping, activities of that nature.

Amazingly, Purdue did not grant Bachelor of Arts degrees until 1960. "Why bother?", they likely thought, as the Enlightenment had ended just a brief 200 years prior. Who could know if that fancy European way of thinking would catch on? Besides, those boilers weren't going to make themselves.



Within its College of Liberal Arts, Purdue has what it calls a "Department of English". The department is housed in this handsome building.



This department is said to employ some 60 faculty members. What they do all day is unclear.



"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

People act like the above clause is the entire amendment. Here is a clause that is frequesntly left out

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

21 states (obama also voted for it) and the US Congress have passed these laws. In none of these laws does it talk about about gay discrimnation; which is illegal
No, an Indiana landlord can not legally refuse to rent an apartment to gays. They would be fined and face potential loss of their business license for doing so.


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Originally posted by: snidely333
Can a landlord in Indiana refuse to rent an apartment to a person he thinks is queer?




Many on the left are incredibly hateful of those holding views that they don't like. Among other things, Liberals are threatening to kill the pizzarella owners, and Liberals are threatening to firebomb their restaurant.

Yet the same people argue for "tolerance".


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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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RFRA's are in place to protect the First Amendment rights of all people. The reaction to the Indiana RFRA is a hysterical assault on First Amendment rights being fueled by anti-Christian bigots. That form of discrimination is not good.



Media driven hate.


Snidely, so you argue that only certain beliefs matter? Which Liberal gets to decide what is allowed?


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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Where is the language in the law that says business's don't have to serve gays? Or is this a story by the media to keep obama's Iranian & Yemen fiasco in the background?


If the law does not say that business don't have to serve gays then what is the point of the law? How come the Indiana lawmakers can't or don't want to explain what this law means?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. -

Do these devout Christians think they won't get into Heaven if they bake a wedding cake or serve flowers for a gay wedding? Maybe they should just put up a sign that says they do not serve sinners. Or do they just want to be able to pick and choose the sinners they will accept as customers.


The law was written to allow a religious person to utilize a specifc legal argument in court that he currently doesn't possess. Under the old law AND the new law, if one doesn't sell flowers to a gay man for a wedding, that florist faces a fine and potential loss of license. The florist, under the new law, can now attempt to prove in court that their religious beliefs are violated when been forced to sell to a gay wedding. This legal argument would not have been allowed in the past.


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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Where is the language in the law that says business's don't have to serve gays? Or is this a story by the media to keep obama's Iranian & Yemen fiasco in the background?


If the law does not say that business don't have to serve gays then what is the point of the law? How come the Indiana lawmakers can't or don't want to explain what this law means?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. -

Do these devout Christians think they won't get into Heaven if they bake a wedding cake or serve flowers for a gay wedding? Maybe they should just put up a sign that says they do not serve sinners. Or do they just want to be able to pick and choose the sinners they will accept as customers.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: snidely333
Can a landlord in Indiana refuse to rent an apartment to a person he thinks is queer?
Yes.
And if you're gay and a foreign policy expert, good luck keeping your job working for Republicans. What a swell bunch of people.




To quote our Presidential Spokesperson - "Dude - that was like 3 years ago".

I think it was great that Romney hired this person.

I think it was terrible that Harry Reid Lied about Romney not paying taxes for 12 years on the Senate Floor.

I think it is utter stupidity that Nancy Pelosi backed-up up Reid's lies and said she trusts him implicitly.

I think it is criminal that Harry Reid thinks his lies helped Romney lose the election.

I would be interested in determining if the "hyper-partisan discussions of the personal life" of the person resigning was instigated by the left so score political points.


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