Gun Salesman of the Century

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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
None of the proposed rules would have prevented Sandy Hook...
The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut.



You are misinformed.......and wrong.
CowboyKell, who once said he believed something "just because" weighs in, and the dip believes him.

The ammosexual who killed the kids below used a clip that held 30 bullets, which was legal to purchase at the time. Because freedom. Like I said, those are now illegal in Connecticut.

Okay 3 day wait for abortion and zero abortions in third tri-mester. Sounds great to me!
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Originally posted by: jphelan
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Originally posted by: MIKEY7777
I am conservative, but for once agree with Obama, I have been to a gun show and was shocked at what I saw, even a little afraid. I believe in the right to bear arms.......with a background check and a 3 day wait.


Since abortions "kill" far more Americans than guns, why not institute a background check and 3 day wait for abortions? Since some guns are completely prohibited (i.e. machine guns), why not prohibit third trimester abortions (when the fetus is fully viable) except in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is threatened?


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
None of the proposed rules would have prevented Sandy Hook...
The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut.



You are misinformed.......and wrong.
CowboyKell, who once said he believed something "just because" weighs in, and the dip believes him.

The ammosexual who killed the kids below used a clip that held 30 bullets, which was legal to purchase at the time. Because freedom. Like I said, those are now illegal in Connecticut.




Forkie, its called a Magazine. Clips are completely internal (like the old WWII rifles).

BTW .223 is a NATO round. Meaning it kills "humanely" (via hydrostatic shock)
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
None of the proposed rules would have prevented Sandy Hook...
The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut.



You are misinformed.......and wrong.
CowboyKell, who once said he believed something "just because" weighs in, and the dip believes him.

The ammosexual who killed the kids below used a clip that held 30 bullets, which was legal to purchase at the time. Because freedom. Like I said, those are now illegal in Connecticut.




WOW, more name-calling, beginning to think that's all you have now. You explicitly said "The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut." and that is a lie. CK called you on it and I looked it up. Even the most anti-gun liberal moronic idiot knows the difference between ammo and a magazine.

Why don't you go ahead and add a pic of Anne Frank in your next post?

Oh and you can go ahead and respond to my post where you cited the "Obama, America's first gay prez" article while you're at it. I think you may actually need to buy a THIRD shovel sometimes.


There have been school shootings for a very long time. The first recorded one was in 1840.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

This is not to say it is not a problem. But it has been a problem for a very long time.

When I went to school....a very long time ago!!....we had nuclear preparedness. We had to sit under our desks as if a nuclear bomb had gone off. How silly. Now kids do "shooter" drills. They huddle together in a corner or in a closet. How silly.

What is it you all are trying to say? Better gun controls? Better enforcement of the laws we have? Guns should be illegal?

And how did abortion get into the picture? How did a woman's reproductiveness get compared to mass shootings and gun control?
DonDiego needs a little review to understand what is going on here.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut.

This is not true:
Lanza shot and killed his mother Nancy Lanza, aged 52, at their Newtown home with a .22-caliber Savage MK II-F bolt action rifle. This weapon employs a .22 caliber cartridge.
Adam Lanza fatally shot 20 children and 6 adult staff members, . . . with his mother's Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle. This firearm fires the .223 Remington cartridge, nearly identical to the 5.56×45mm NATO military cartridge.
As the police arrived on-scene, Adam Lanza shot himself in the lower rear portion of his head with a Glock 20SF semi-automatic handgun. This weapon employs a 10mm cartridge.
The police recovered a 9mm SIG Sauer P226 handgun with Adam Lanza's body. This weapon fires a 9mm cartridge.
Outside the school, an Izhmash Saiga-12 shotgun was found in the car Lanza had driven. This weapon fires a 12-gauge shotgun shell.
Ref: wikipedia


.22 cal cartridges remain legal in Connecticut. .223 Remington cartridges remain legal in Connecticut. 9mm and 10mm cartridges remain legal in Connecticut. 12-gauge shotgun shells remain legal in Connecticut.

Therefore, none of the ammunition used in the shootings is illegal in Connecticut.

n.b. On 13 February 2015, the [Federal] Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF) released a document that proposed the reclassification of "5.56mm constituent projectiles of SS109 and M855 cartridges" from the category of "primarily used for sporting purposes" to that of "armor piercing ammunition." This might well have led to the banning of the 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge in the United States, . . . and possibly the banning of the .223 Remington cartridge as well.
On 10 March 2015, the ATF released a statement confirming that the reclassification proposal was halted indefinitely due to overwhelming public commentary opposing it.
Ref: www.snopes.com

Therefore, the 5.56x45mm NATO military cartridge and the .223 Remington cartridge remain legal in the USA.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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The ammosexual (sic) who killed the kids below used a clip that held 30 bullets, which was legal to purchase at the time. Because freedom. Like I said, those are now illegal in Connecticut..

As has already been clarified Adam Lanza carried two magazines, not "clips" with a capacity of 30 rounds each of .223 Remington cartridges for the Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle.

Connecticut has restricted the capacity of magazines within the State:
"As of April 4, 2013, magazines holding more than 10 rounds are considered Large Capacity Magazines (LCM), and such magazines manufactured after that date may not be sold or transferred within the state. Existing owners of LCMs may possess such magazines if they declare them with the DESPP before January 1, 2014. Owners of registered LCMs may not load such magazines with more than 10 rounds except when inside the owner's home or on the premises of a licensed shooting range. Even if an individual has a permit to carry a pistol or revolver, they can never carry, other than at a shooting range, a pistol that has an LCM loaded with more than 10 bullets. Unlawfully possessing a Large Capacity Magazine obtained prior to the ban's effective date is an infraction with a $90 fine for the first offense, and a Class D felony (punishable by up to 5 years in prison and/or $5,000 fine) for subsequent offenses. Unlawfully possessing a LCM obtained after the effective date of the ban is a Class D felony."


So, other than not being able to differentiate between "ammunition", "clip", and "magazine" forkush was, indeed, right on, . . . in his own little world.
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Originally posted by: MIKEY7777
Okay 3 day wait for abortion and zero abortions in third tri-mester. Sounds great to me!
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Originally posted by: jphelan
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Originally posted by: MIKEY7777
I am conservative, but for once agree with Obama, I have been to a gun show and was shocked at what I saw, even a little afraid. I believe in the right to bear arms.......with a background check and a 3 day wait.


Since abortions "kill" far more Americans than guns, why not institute a background check and 3 day wait for abortions? Since some guns are completely prohibited (i.e. machine guns), why not prohibit third trimester abortions (when the fetus is fully viable) except in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is threatened?




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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
None of the proposed rules would have prevented Sandy Hook...
The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut.



You are misinformed.......and wrong.
CowboyKell, who once said he believed something "just because" weighs in, and the dip believes him.

The ammosexual who killed the kids below used a clip that held 30 bullets, which was legal to purchase at the time. Because freedom. Like I said, those are now illegal in Connecticut.




WOW, more name-calling, beginning to think that's all you have now. You explicitly said "The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut." and that is a lie. CK called you on it and I looked it up. Even the most anti-gun liberal moronic idiot knows the difference between ammo and a magazine.....
It's not a clip, it's a magazine! What's next? How about it's not a gun, it's a rifle? Whatever floats your boat, right? Oh wait - shouldn't it be whatever floats your SHIP?

Regardless, the exact method that Lanza used to Second Amendment those little children into their graves is now illegal in Connecticut. But at least DonDiego gets to joke about it.
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
None of the proposed rules would have prevented Sandy Hook...
The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut.



You are misinformed.......and wrong.
CowboyKell, who once said he believed something "just because" weighs in, and the dip believes him.

The ammosexual who killed the kids below used a clip that held 30 bullets, which was legal to purchase at the time. Because freedom. Like I said, those are now illegal in Connecticut.





Forkie, its called a Magazine. Clips are completely internal (like the old WWII rifles).

BTW .223 is a NATO round. Meaning it kills "humanely" (via hydrostatic shock)


5.56 is a NATO round. I've never heard that NATO kills humanely. I thought it was just a specification that NATO endorsed.

The Bushmaster XM-15 rifles is chambered for the 5.56 NATO round which means it can also safely shoot the .223 round which is very similar but a bit lower powered than the 5.56.

The "green tip" ammo was in threat of being made illegal but that never happened.

The 5.56/.223 caliber ammo is not an extremely lethal ammo compared to other calibers and would not be suitable to hunt deer with humanely. In other words, there are other semi-auto rifles that take more powerful ammo than this.

I've only skimmed over the executive orders but there was nothing in there that I disagreed with.

My understanding is that if you're a dealer, you need to perform background checks no matter where you sell, whether it's your store or a gun show. Normal everyday people can sell guns without background checks to other people. The problem comes in when people sell guns for profit without a dealer's license. The firearm's dealers might even like a fairer playing field.
Oh, that crazy old Don Diego, always muddying the waters with his "facts" and "references". When will he learn to stick to what's important? Science and objectivity are so 18th century.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
DonDiego needs a little review to understand what is going on here.

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This is not true:
Lanza shot and killed his mother Nancy Lanza, aged 52, at their Newtown home with a .22-caliber Savage MK II-F bolt action rifle. This weapon employs a .22 caliber cartridge.
Adam Lanza fatally shot 20 children and 6 adult staff members, . . . with his mother's Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle. This firearm fires the .223 Remington cartridge, nearly identical to the 5.56×45mm NATO military cartridge.
As the police arrived on-scene, Adam Lanza shot himself in the lower rear portion of his head with a Glock 20SF semi-automatic handgun. This weapon employs a 10mm cartridge.
The police recovered a 9mm SIG Sauer P226 handgun with Adam Lanza's body. This weapon fires a 9mm cartridge.
Outside the school, an Izhmash Saiga-12 shotgun was found in the car Lanza had driven. This weapon fires a 12-gauge shotgun shell.
Ref: wikipedia


.22 cal cartridges remain legal in Connecticut. .223 Remington cartridges remain legal in Connecticut. 9mm and 10mm cartridges remain legal in Connecticut. 12-gauge shotgun shells remain legal in Connecticut.

Therefore, none of the ammunition used in the shootings is illegal in Connecticut.

n.b. On 13 February 2015, the [Federal] Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF) released a document that proposed the reclassification of "5.56mm constituent projectiles of SS109 and M855 cartridges" from the category of "primarily used for sporting purposes" to that of "armor piercing ammunition." This might well have led to the banning of the 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge in the United States, . . . and possibly the banning of the .223 Remington cartridge as well.
On 10 March 2015, the ATF released a statement confirming that the reclassification proposal was halted indefinitely due to overwhelming public commentary opposing it.
Ref: www.snopes.com

Therefore, the 5.56x45mm NATO military cartridge and the .223 Remington cartridge remain legal in the USA.

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