Gun Salesman of the Century

While Obama is fussing with gun control, the Middle East is collapsing as Saudi Arabia/Iran rattle their swords, the China economy is far weaker than thought & another terrorist attack in France.

With Iran already in violation of the treaty will Obama reinstate the sanctions? I doubt at this point China will bother with the Paris accords.
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It's not a clip, it's a magazine! What's next? How about it's not a gun, it's a rifle? Whatever floats your boat, right? Oh wait - shouldn't it be whatever floats your SHIP?

"Clip vs. Magazine

You know that boxy rectangular thingy that holds cartridges and slides into the bottom of your semi-auto pistol? It’s not a clip — no matter how often the term is misused. It’s a magazine.

A magazine holds shells under spring pressure in preparation for feeding into the firearm’s chamber. Examples include box, tubular, drum and rotary magazines. Some are fixed to the firearm while others are removable.

A cartridge “clip” has no spring and does not feed shells directly into the chamber. Rather, clips hold cartridges in the correct sequence for “charging” a specific firearm’s magazine. Stripper clips allow rounds to be “stripped” into the magazine. Other types are fed along with the shells into the magazine — the M1 Garand famously operates in this fashion. Once all rounds have been fired, the clip is ejected or otherwise released from the firearm.

In essence, clips feed magazines. Magazines feed firearms."



Ref: Guns & Ammo
* n.b. DonDiego recommends this brief Guns & Ammo description of Misused Gun Terms if one wishes to be accurate in discussion of the "gun issue".


Ship vs. Boat

Navy veteran DonDiego recalls being instructed that "a ship can cary a boat, but a boat cannot carry a ship", but apparently it's more complicated than that.

"One thing that sets a ship apart from a boat is size. According the U.S. Naval Institute, a boat, generally speaking, is small enough to be carried aboard a larger vessel, and a vessel large enough to carry a smaller one is a ship. Or, as Steve says his Navy Lieutenant father put it to him, 'You can put a boat on a ship, but you can’t put a ship on a boat.'

Now, this Naval convention is a good rule of thumb most of the time, but there are a few exceptions, among both naval and civilian vessels. Some yachts, ferries, tug boats, fishing boats, police boats, etc. can carry small lifeboats or dinghies, but they usually don’t graduate to ship status because of that. On the other hand, a large container ship or the USS Cole can be carried aboard an even bigger ship without getting demoted to a boat.

The U.S. Navy seems to want to have it both ways with their submarines. One component of each vessel’s official name is USS—that is, United States Ship—but seamen, the Naval Institute says, usually refer to submarines in general as boats, regardless of size.

Another factor the Naval Institute considers is the vessel’s crew, command, and use. If it has a permanent crew with a commanding officer, it’s usually a ship. If it’s only crewed when actually in use and has no official CO, then you’re probably dealing with a boat. Ships are also usually intended and designed for deep-water use and are able to operate independently for long periods of time. Boats, meanwhile, lack the fuel and cargo capacity for extended, unassisted operation.

Again, though, there are some exceptions in actual usage. Most commercial fishing vessels, for example, are large and can go out alone on the open ocean for weeks at a time. They’re almost always called boats, though, and rarely “fishing ships.”

Without any hard and fast rules about boats and ships, we humbly suggest another loose guideline that will ingratiate you to the captain of any sort of vessel: Call it whatever the skipper wants you to call it."

Ref: mentalfloss

Once you're done name calling, please answer my question. Does an American president have any limit to his executive actions. Could a radical politician simply not enforce murder laws after a black man is killed, for example?

If one law can be ignored or created by a president, can't any law be ignored or created by a president?


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I think this analysis has happened on this board before - ya know, where our Constitutional experts explain to us how a Presidential Executive Order is illegal ...or unAmerican ....or unprecedented ....or something.




A "clip" is not ammunition.


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Originally posted by: hoops2
None of the proposed rules would have prevented Sandy Hook...
The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut.



You are misinformed.......and wrong.
CowboyKell, who once said he believed something "just because" weighs in, and the dip believes him.

The ammosexual who killed the kids below used a clip that held 30 bullets, which was legal to purchase at the time. Because freedom. Like I said, those are now illegal in Connecticut.





Forkie, a rifle is a gun.


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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
None of the proposed rules would have prevented Sandy Hook...
The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut.



You are misinformed.......and wrong.
CowboyKell, who once said he believed something "just because" weighs in, and the dip believes him.

The ammosexual who killed the kids below used a clip that held 30 bullets, which was legal to purchase at the time. Because freedom. Like I said, those are now illegal in Connecticut.




WOW, more name-calling, beginning to think that's all you have now. You explicitly said "The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut." and that is a lie. CK called you on it and I looked it up. Even the most anti-gun liberal moronic idiot knows the difference between ammo and a magazine.....
It's not a clip, it's a magazine! What's next? How about it's not a gun, it's a rifle? Whatever floats your boat, right? Oh wait - shouldn't it be whatever floats your SHIP?

Regardless, the exact method that Lanza used to Second Amendment those little children into their graves is now illegal in Connecticut. But at least DonDiego gets to joke about it.


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Once you're done name calling, please answer my question. Does an American president have any limit to his executive actions. Could a radical politician simply not enforce murder laws after a black man is killed, for example?

If one law can be ignored or created by a president, can't any law be ignored or created by a president?






You didn;t ask a question, Boiler. You made up a lie about what the definition of a "law" is and now want to discuss it on this message board. And you did the same thing when the president issued an Executvie order over immigration. I'm not qualified to engage that discussion. My IQ isn't low enough.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
None of the proposed rules would have prevented Sandy Hook...
The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut.



You are misinformed.......and wrong.
CowboyKell, who once said he believed something "just because" weighs in, and the dip believes him.

The ammosexual who killed the kids below used a clip that held 30 bullets, which was legal to purchase at the time. Because freedom. Like I said, those are now illegal in Connecticut.




WOW, more name-calling, beginning to think that's all you have now. You explicitly said "The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut." and that is a lie. CK called you on it and I looked it up. Even the most anti-gun liberal moronic idiot knows the difference between ammo and a magazine.....
It's not a clip, it's a magazine! What's next? How about it's not a gun, it's a rifle? Whatever floats your boat, right? Oh wait - shouldn't it be whatever floats your SHIP?

Regardless, the exact method that Lanza used to Second Amendment those little children into their graves is now illegal in Connecticut. But at least DonDiego gets to joke about it.


Whatever, I'm done, I know you know the difference, you lied and got caught.
I have learned something new, I always thought a clip and magazine were the same thing but I see the difference now. Learn something new everyday.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
None of the proposed rules would have prevented Sandy Hook...
The ammunition that these children and teachers were killed with is now illegal in Connecticut.



You are misinformed.......and wrong.
CowboyKell, who once said he believed something "just because" weighs in, and the dip believes him.

The ammosexual who killed the kids below used a clip that held 30 bullets, which was legal to purchase at the time. Because freedom. Like I said, those are now illegal in Connecticut.



I'm not speaking about semantics. You can call it ammo or bullets or anything else that is readily understood to mean the projectiles that ultimately come out the end of a 'gun' (or rifle, or firearm, or whatever). The same with the 'magazine' or clip, or any other term that is readily understood. Even the firearm itself, assault rifle, long rifle, gun.

It is still perfectly legal in the state of Connecticut to buy sell or own the same ammo, the same magazines and the same weapon now as it was before. Gun laws are almost always poorly written by lawmakers who do not truly understand the subject they are trying to regulate.
If you would like to educate yourself on the matter I would suggest looking up things like 80%, bullet buttons and mag blocks.

Or...you could go on believing only with your heart and without logical thought as a balance.
"Does an American president have any limit to his executive actions?"

I have asked that question before with no response. The real answer is that as long as their guy is president ; there are no limits
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