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Headline: Muslim families of fallen U.S. soldiers driven to oppose Trump

billryan

Aug 8, 2016
4:09am

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He was passed over for promotion, from reports. It's the military's way of telling you your services are no longer needed. You don't piss off the brass without consequences.

"His 52 decorations include two Silver Stars, four Bronze Star Medals with Valor device, a Joint Service Commendation Medal with Valor device, three Presidential Unit citations, and two Navy and Marine Corps Commendations with Valor device."

I think maybe he earned a pass from yahoos speculating about his SEAL career...yahoos who don't really have a clue about the details. Of course some people will say anything if it advances their political causes. It's just like those who are attacking the Kahn family at a personal level.
Of course pointing out that his commanding officer and master sergeant accused him of selfishly disregarding their core values by seeking financial gain and notoriety is completely on point, and is NOTHING like taking personal potshots at a Gold Star mother.

For the reading impaired, THIS is what I was objecting to:

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O' Neil left the SEALs four years short of collecting his full pension. Few operators leave at that stage of their career by choice. Nuff said.

It's just a smear via innuendo. This IS a personal potshot, no? Unless of course Bill really knows the reason this highly decorated Navy SEAL left. Do you actually know this guy, Bill? Or maybe you know him, Forkie and know why he left 4 years short of collecting his full pension. Otherwise it's just like throwing some shit against the wall...Nuff said.

Without going into details of my own military experience, I assure you it's not a potshot.

pundit

Aug 8, 2016
4:34am

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Originally posted by: forkushV

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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He was passed over for promotion, from reports. It's the military's way of telling you your services are no longer needed. You don't piss off the brass without consequences.

"His 52 decorations include two Silver Stars, four Bronze Star Medals with Valor device, a Joint Service Commendation Medal with Valor device, three Presidential Unit citations, and two Navy and Marine Corps Commendations with Valor device."

I think maybe he earned a pass from yahoos speculating about his SEAL career...yahoos who don't really have a clue about the details. Of course some people will say anything if it advances their political causes. It's just like those who are attacking the Kahn family at a personal level.

Of course pointing out that his commanding officer and master sergeant accused him of selfishly disregarding their core values by seeking financial gain and notoriety is completely on point, and is NOTHING like taking personal potshots at a Gold Star mother.

I didn't know the US Navy had the rank of "master sergeant".

With SPEC OPS deployments on the increase after 16 years of being deployed more than being home with the family & training. I can understand the reason to leave the military.
My buddy's son resigned his commission for this reason.

Being passed over for promotion once is handwriting on the wall, being passed over twice is a "good by & have a nice life".

jatki

Aug 8, 2016
6:16am

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Originally posted by: pundit

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He was passed over for promotion, from reports. It's the military's way of telling you your services are no longer needed. You don't piss off the brass without consequences.

"His 52 decorations include two Silver Stars, four Bronze Star Medals with Valor device, a Joint Service Commendation Medal with Valor device, three Presidential Unit citations, and two Navy and Marine Corps Commendations with Valor device."

I think maybe he earned a pass from yahoos speculating about his SEAL career...yahoos who don't really have a clue about the details. Of course some people will say anything if it advances their political causes. It's just like those who are attacking the Kahn family at a personal level.
Of course pointing out that his commanding officer and master sergeant accused him of selfishly disregarding their core values by seeking financial gain and notoriety is completely on point, and is NOTHING like taking personal potshots at a Gold Star mother.

Billy makes a mysterious "w/o going into my own military experience"line and it turns out pundit is exactly correct, there is no such thing as master sgt. in the Navy. I looked it up. Pretty funny.

billryan

Aug 8, 2016
7:02am

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First off, I never used the term master sergeant. Not sure why you think I did. Reading is tough, but mastering it is worthwhile.
In the second place, Seal Team Six was part of a combined Special Operations Command. A Command that was headed by an Army General. There would be numerous Army, Navy, and Marine NCOs working in the Command.
A General, by the way, who attended my wedding as we were Cadets together.
Since the Sequester, a lot of 15-17 year Officers left because their were no slots for them to advance to. Army Special Forces and Special 90s of all branches were spared the cuts the rest of the military was. In fact, SEALs personal and their missions have expanded.

jatki

Aug 8, 2016
7:11am

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"Of course pointing out that his commanding officer and master sergeant accused him of selfishly disregarding their core values by seeking financial gain and notoriety is completely on point, and is NOTHING like taking personal potshots at a Gold Star mother."

In a couple posts up(pundits post) it looks like this is your quote. My apologies if it isn't.

jatki

Aug 8, 2016
7:21am

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I did look it up again and from wikipedia, I still don't see any seals commanded by any master sgt.'s.. It was forky that made the claim. No shocker there, pulling shit out of his arse.
So Billy, my apologies.

A SEAL Team has a Staff Headquarters element and three 40-man platoons. Each platoon consist of a Headquarters element consisting of a platoon Commander, typically a Lieutenant Commander (O-4), a platoon Senior Enlisted (E-8), a Targeting/Operations Officer (O-2/3) and a Targeting/Operations Leading/Chief Petty Officer (E-6/7). Under the HQ element are two SEAL platoons of 16–20 men (two officers, 14–16 enlisted SEALs, and sometimes assigned non-NSW support personnel); a company-sized Combat Service Support (CSS) and/or Combat Support (CS) consisting of staff N-codes (the Army and Marine Corps use S-codes); N1 Administrative support, N2 Intelligence, N3 Operations, N4 Logistics, N5 Plans and Targeting, N6 Communications, N7 Training, and N8 Air/Medical.

Each platoon can be task organized for operational purposes into four squads, of eight 4–5 man fire teams. The size of each SEAL "Team" with platoons and support staff is approximately 300 personnel. The typical SEAL platoon has an OIC (Officer in Charge, usually a Lieutenant (O-3), a Platoon chief (E-7), and two squads commanded by a LTJG (0-2) and a Squad Leader (E6). The remaining members of the Squad are operators (E-4 to E-6) with their specialty skills. The core leadership in the Troop and Platoon are the Commander/OIC and the Senior Enlisted NCO (Senior Chief/Chief).

billryan

Aug 8, 2016
7:34am

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Nope, not mine. Naval titles confuse me. I just go by the rating.
A Captain in the Army is a field officer and not very Senior. Same in the Marines. A Captain in the Navy is a Command Officer and quite Senior.
An E7 is an E7, no matter what branch. I imagine the correct title for the guy who rebuked him would be some sort of Master Chief.

BobOrme

Aug 8, 2016
7:37pm

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The Khan's disgraced their son's service and sacrifice to this country for political and ideological reasons. Mr. Kahn is in the business of helping middle east Muslims buy American citizenship, has been for years. His ties to the Clintons through the Clinton Foundation involve millions of dollars transferred from Saudi Arabia to the Clintons. He is an advocate for Sharia Law. Wonder why he hates Trump?

Their son died in a war (as a volunteer) voted FOR by then Senator Hillary Clinton. She has no responsibility but Trump does? They use the DNC convention to attack Trump and he is not supposed to respond? Clinton used the Kahns. They probably felt both obliged and happy to do it. It is truly sad that they used their dead son to advance an agenda that is still killing Americans, both on the battlefields in the Middle East and within cities of the USA.

The KM Khan Law Office website just recently disappeared from the internet. The one that offered E2 and EB5 Investor Immigration services...selling US citizenship.
What do you want to bet that BobOrme doesn't have the balls to cite his source for the above?

I could cite a number of sources on which I use to form my opinions, but you probably wouldn't even read them Bruce. That would be a waste of my time. The KM Khan Law Office website was wiped off the internet just a few days ago. Here is one link to that.

KM Khan Law Offoice Website Gone
So what else is new? We know you're embarrassed to cite your sources.

Keep 'em coming BobOrme!

As I figured, you'd ignore the truth and attack the source. Khan's website is shown on that link, showing selling American citizenship as a specialty of his law firm. The site is gone...removed from the web after his speech at the convention. It must really suck to constantly deny the truth when it is staring you in the face.

I saw what you did there. Because the claim that their website is down might be true (heavens!), you insist everyone believe Breitbart's claims that Khan wants to impose Sharia Law and that he sells US citizenships.

And Breitbart, the original source of your claims? They did it AGAIN four days ago. Obviously BobOrme, you are beyond embarrassment.

I wrote that he is an advocate for Sharia Law. He is and has been for decades. In his Houston Journal of International Law publication titled Juristic Classification of Islamic Law, he wrote: "All other juridical works which have been written during more than thirteen centuries are very rich and indispensable, but they must always be subordinated to the Shari’ah and open to reconsideration by all Muslims." He stood on the DNC stage and waved his pocket sized copy of the US Constitution - one of those "other juridical works" that "must always be subordinated to the Shari’ah" - while launching an unprovoked attack on Trump.

He did promote his services for E2 and EB5 Investor Immigration on HIS website, literally selling US citizenship. That is not deniable, no matter how much you want to deny it.

billryan

Aug 9, 2016
3:56am

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He is not selling US Citizenship. He is a lawyer helping clients apply for a Government run program. Does a Homicide defense attorney sell murder?
I guess when Trump uses the law to go bankrupt six times and screw thousands of investors and contractors, that's okay. But when brown skinned people use the law to gain something, that's bad. Horrible.

billryan

Aug 9, 2016
4:02am

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Originally posted by: jatki99
I did look it up again and from wikipedia, I still don't see any seals commanded by any master sgt.'s.. It was forky that made the claim. No shocker there, pulling shit out of his arse.
So Billy, my apologies.

A SEAL Team has a Staff Headquarters element and three 40-man platoons. Each platoon consist of a Headquarters element consisting of a platoon Commander, typically a Lieutenant Commander (O-4), a platoon Senior Enlisted (E-8), a Targeting/Operations Officer (O-2/3) and a Targeting/Operations Leading/Chief Petty Officer (E-6/7). Under the HQ element are two SEAL platoons of 16–20 men (two officers, 14–16 enlisted SEALs, and sometimes assigned non-NSW support personnel); a company-sized Combat Service Support (CSS) and/or Combat Support (CS) consisting of staff N-codes (the Army and Marine Corps use S-codes); N1 Administrative support, N2 Intelligence, N3 Operations, N4 Logistics, N5 Plans and Targeting, N6 Communications, N7 Training, and N8 Air/Medical.

Each platoon can be task organized for operational purposes into four squads, of eight 4–5 man fire teams. The size of each SEAL "Team" with platoons and support staff is approximately 300 personnel. The typical SEAL platoon has an OIC (Officer in Charge, usually a Lieutenant (O-3), a Platoon chief (E-7), and two squads commanded by a LTJG (0-2) and a Squad Leader (E6). The remaining members of the Squad are operators (E-4 to E-6) with their specialty skills. The core leadership in the Troop and Platoon are the Commander/OIC and the Senior Enlisted NCO (Senior Chief/Chief).

Seal Team Six, like many of the teams is part of a larger Special Operations Command., that includes Army Special Forces, Delta groups, SEALs,SOARs and more. It's an inter agency Command, so you might have a General or an Admiral running it, as well as Senior NCOs from various services.

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