A Health Care System I Won't Miss

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Originally posted by: DonDiego


“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."__ George Santayana


Most people dont think of Medicare as a mistake that we might be doomed to repeat. Even amongst tea-partiers Medicare polls higher in satisfaction than do private insurers. And without Medicare it would be impossible for any man Don Diego's age to get insurance from a provider unless they were mandated by the government.

And we all know how awful mandates are.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
From somewhere on the internets:
"In 1965, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the hospital insurance program of Medicare - the federal health care program for the elderly and disabled - would cost $9 billion by 1990. The actual cost that year was $67 billion.

In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee said the entire Medicare program would cost $12 billion in 1990. The actual cost in 1990 was $98 billion.

In 1987, Congress projected that Medicaid - the joint federal-state health care program for the poor - would make special relief payments to hospitals of less than $1 billion in 1992. Actual cost: $17 billion.

The list goes on. The 1993 cost of Medicare’s home care benefit was projected in 1988 to be $4 billion, but ended up at $10 billion."


“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."__ George Santayana
"From somewhere on the internets?" Where? (I googled the first claim and my first hit was from a newspaper operated by the Moonie Cult.)

From the same place you got your story about the naked crucifixions in front of the Egyptian Presidential Palace?
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
From somewhere on the internets:
"In 1965, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the hospital insurance program of Medicare - the federal health care program for the elderly and disabled - would cost $9 billion by 1990. The actual cost that year was $67 billion.

In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee said the entire Medicare program would cost $12 billion in 1990. The actual cost in 1990 was $98 billion.

In 1987, Congress projected that Medicaid - the joint federal-state health care program for the poor - would make special relief payments to hospitals of less than $1 billion in 1992. Actual cost: $17 billion.

The list goes on. The 1993 cost of Medicare’s home care benefit was projected in 1988 to be $4 billion, but ended up at $10 billion."a
You have identified four underestimates of US health care costs in the past 48 years. The most current underestimation was made 25 years ago. You're quoting not from a news story, but from an unsigned four year old opinion piece from the Washington Times, published when the paper was owned by Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church, for better or for worse. I'm not in the habit of quoting people he pays, but I accept that others might differ.



These decades of unanticipated increases in health care costs were among many of the key factors that caused Americans to vote overwhelmingly for the health care reform candidate in 2008.

It's not clear to me how terrible predictions made before 1988 really relate to anything we're discussing here. But if the point is to mention how tough it can be to predict government spending, you'll get no argument here. That is not, however, a reason to not try to predict anymore, but a reason to try and predict more accurately.



The above image is not a reason not to conduct polling. It is a reason to poll better.
If obamacare is so great why is a huge portion of the plan (the employer mandate) being postponed for at least a year?

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Originally posted by: hoops2
If obamacare is so great why is a huge portion of the plan (the employer mandate) being postponed for at least a year?
Because it's not that great.

It should have been single payer like Canada. Or Medicare. But it will be a lot better than what we had before.

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Originally posted by: hoops2
If obamacare is so great why is a huge portion of the plan (the employer mandate) being postponed for at least a year?
A simple Google search reveals that the White House is postponing the employer mandate for a year because, they say, the relatively small 4% of businesses to which it applies presented convincing arguments that they weren't ready.

I wish the President could get rid of it. It taxes large employers for hiring lower income people who qualify for the subsidies, encourages those employers to convert workers to part-time, and adds real administrative costs. Bad ideas, but that's what we get sometimes in compromise legislation.
So do forkushV and Chilcoot assert that the historical cost figures provided by the esteemed Reverend Sun Myung Moon newspaper are inaccurate?

Or are they arguing that President Barack Hussein Obama has overcome the propensity of the Government to produce egregious cost overruns?

Or are they arguing that whatever it costs it is worth it?

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
Bad ideas, but that's what we get sometimes in compromise legislation.
Perhaps legislators passing legislation before having read it had something to do with the bad ideas.


Oh, . . . and there's this:
" A new CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want the Affordable Care Act repealed.
According to the poll, 36 percent of Americans want Congress to expand or keep the health care law while 39 percent want Congress to repeal it - the highest percentage seen in CBS News polls. The poll also found a majority of Americans - 54 percent - disapprove of the health care law, 36 percent of Americans approve of it and 10 percent said they don't know about it."
Ref: CBS News - 24 July 2013
[boldface added - DD]
[DonDiego is as reluctant to reference CBS, as forkushV is to reference The Washington Times; but he is a compromiser.]
[DonDiego is disturbed by the 10% of those polled who do not know about ObamaCare, . . . not surprised, just disturbed.]
As time goes on, the reality of the damage that the Democrats and the Obama administration have done to America will become undefendable. Zealots such as chilcoot and forkush will stand as foolish examples of those who never had a clue.
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Originally posted by: drmilled
As time goes on, the reality of the damage that the Democrats and the Obama administration have done to America will become undefendable. Zealots such as chilcoot and forkush will stand as foolish examples of those who never had a clue.



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Originally posted by: DonDiego
So do forkushV and Chilcoot assert that the historical cost figures provided by the esteemed Reverend Sun Myung Moon newspaper are inaccurate?...
I didn't take Reverend Moon's word for it when he proclaimed himself the Messiah either. But no, DD, I'm not going to try and prove a negative. The ball's in your court if you want to back up those claims.

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