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hoops2
hoops2
Aug 7, 2013
11:22pm
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If obamacare is so great why does the agency responsible for enforcing it (IRS) not want to be in it.

If obamacare is so great why did obama give congress an exemption?
alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Aug 7, 2013
11:40pm
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
That's right, the free market doesn't work for health care in the US.
....Free markets are usually the best solution for stuff. But not always.

I don't think you know what free markets are. No one holds up US medical care as an example of free markets. It's controlled by a combination of Oligopolies, Monopolies and Regulators. Nothing 'Free' about it.
I wish you realized we agree that the US health care system is not a free market and hasn't been for a long time.


Oh. Ok. I thought you were saying that Free Markets don't work for health care....not that we don't have a free market. Those are two very different things. I'm glad we agree. The Healthcare Industry should not be treated like a Public Utility. Prices should be set by a competitive market not based on inflated cost structures.
forkushV
forkushV
Aug 8, 2013
1:56am
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Originally posted by: hoops2
If obamacare is so great why does the agency responsible for enforcing it (IRS) not want to be in it.

If obamacare is so great why did obama give congress an exemption?
Because it isn't so great. It should have been single payer like Canada. Or Medicare. But we had some really awful Democrats like Baucus and Lieberman that cared about insurance companies more than citizens.

But Obamacare is going to be much better than the status quo. And it's projected to reduce the deficit by the CBO.

hoops2
hoops2
Aug 8, 2013
2:54am
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Medicare is broke

forkushV
forkushV
Aug 8, 2013
3:36am
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Medicare is broke
No it isn't, and neither are the Canadians.



As you can see, EVERY projection date in the Medicare trustees report that Medicare would be insolvent has proven false so far. And even if the current 2024 estimate proves accurate, parts B and D will be fully funded, and Part A will be funded 90%.

So if we simply repealed the Republican law that prohibits Medicare from negotiating for lower drug costs with Big Pharma, I bet we'd be close to 100%. Assuming that projection is correct, which would be a surprise, wouldn't it?
Dan Svatass
Dan Svatass
Aug 8, 2013
3:55am
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hoops2 doesn't care what's true. Next he'll say that Obama increased the deficit or some such. (Or, more likely, steal some fiction from breitbart or worldnet, paste it here, and pretend he wrote it.)

He doesn't care.
hoops2
hoops2
Aug 8, 2013
7:52am
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Medicare has $30t unfunded liability. That qualifies as broke
Dan Svatass
Dan Svatass
Aug 8, 2013
8:12am
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Well then so do most people with mortgages, and recent employed grads with student loans. Just because a person hasn't yet established exactly how he'll pay for something in the distant future doesn't make him "broke" today.

Basically what hoops2 wants is for the word "broke" to have a new meaning so that his statement could become true.
forkushV
forkushV
Aug 10, 2013
2:48am
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
...Prices are fixed by a collaboration of the US Government, Medical Providers and Insurance Companies...
Medical providers - that is doctors, hospitals, etc. - collaborate with the US government to fix prices for consumers? I hadn't heard that one before.

Please, fill us in.
Maybe I missed it, but I've yet to see an explanation of this claim. Just how does the US government collaborate with others to keep health care costs high?
floridasandy
floridasandy
Aug 15, 2013
8:56am
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ditto.

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