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FrankKneeland
FrankKneeland
Jun 29, 2011
7:26am
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Originally posted by: mrmarcus12LVA
It says "winners depersonalize conflicts," not "winners depersonalize rampant, incessant stupidity" (aka diarrhea of the web).


Funny! I would have gone with:

"I understand what you are saying and I'm not taking it personally."
FrankKneeland
FrankKneeland
Jun 29, 2011
9:07am
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Gambling With an Edge June 30th

We will be having on Richard W. Munchkin to talk about his amazing book Gambling
Wizards, where he interviews many of the worlds greatest gamblers from all
different disciplines. I'm just finishing it now, and I can tell you it's one of
the best books on gambling I've ever read.

Our Live Air-Time is: 7 PM Thursday nights on KLAV Talk-Radio 1230am In Las
Vegas. You can listen live at: https://www.klav1230am.com/

As always you can download it after the fact at www.progressivevp.com and
www.bobdancer.com.

~FK
MoneyLA
MoneyLA
Jun 29, 2011
10:52am
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Thanks Frank, I wasn't aware that any of the games at the M had previously reached the point where they had turned "positive." I published the chart from teh M which gave the approximate cash values of the royals that made the games positive and at the time, no game was even close.

A question about the M progressives: would you put a team playing them once the progressive on a particular game reached a positive amount? Or at what dollar value would you decide to play the game to offset the poor paytables and the risk that a non team member would hit the royal before the team does? Or, would you only play the progressive if the team controlled all of the seats?

thanks.
snidely333
snidely333
Jun 29, 2011
11:27am
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Once the game is +EV i.e. positive, why would the paytable matter? But, I'm curious not just to the answer to Money's question but the rationale.

MoneyLA
MoneyLA
Jun 29, 2011
11:38am
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Because if you are not the person who hits the royal, you were stuck playing a negative game. Only the player who hits the royal was playing a positive game. Everybody else was taking it in the wallet (pants, shorts, etc)
BobOrme
BobOrme
Jun 29, 2011
12:00pm
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Because if you are not the person who hits the royal, you were stuck playing a negative game. Only the player who hits the royal was playing a positive game. Everybody else was taking it in the wallet (pants, shorts, etc)

Not necessarily. 4oak's have made for some very successful sessions for me.
MoneyLA
MoneyLA
Jun 29, 2011
12:07pm
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The progressives at the M only have the progressives on the royal. You might be a big winner by hitting a lot of 4oaks or even full houses, but only the huge progressive jackpot for the royal makes the game have a positive paytable. Otherwise, the pay table has a payback of about 97% (thats for bonus, I think the other games are comparable).

Im really curious to know if a team would play these machines if they couldnt be sure they locked up every seat? or at least a big % of them?
BAGIANT
BAGIANT
Jun 29, 2011
2:27pm
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Finally, someone who is taking a rational stance about Singers system. As I've stated here before, and this was before I even knew Singer, when I read his articles in Gaming
Today, I thought it was a "refreshing" look at playing VP. Everything else was just a repetitive spiel on what was said before by Fromme, Dancer, Paymar etc etc. Rob brought forward another way to look at VP...another point of view. Needless to say, the AP players naysayed his views which was to be expected. But I never heard of any of these people tyring his system and then disproving it.

Rob has taken some people under his wing and taught them his system for FREE and on his own dime. It isn't exactly free to travel from Phoenix to Vegas to teach someone your system, and a lot of these people have succeeded in proving his system right! They made money. So, I just have to ask myself WHY a person like Rob go out of his way to try and teach these people for FREE? It must be he really believes in his system. Is there any other answer? Of course not. You just don't travel 300 or more miles to try and teach someone something that you don't believe in. Why would he bother? Does Dancer do anything like that. Of course not. He wants you to buy his books and try the system(his) by yourself. He's not there to support you in any way shape of form. Nor is there anyone else who goes out of their way after you buy their book, "cheater" cards or anything else they have to offer.But Rob is right by their side win or lose. It takes a special person to do something like that.
Loyd Vegas
Loyd Vegas
Jun 29, 2011
3:30pm
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Originally posted by: BAGIANT
Finally, someone who is taking a rational stance about Singers system. As I've stated here before, and this was before I even knew Singer, when I read his articles in Gaming
Today, I thought it was a "refreshing" look at playing VP. Everything else was just a repetitive spiel on what was said before by Fromme, Dancer, Paymar etc etc. Rob brought forward another way to look at VP...another point of view. Needless to say, the AP players naysayed his views which was to be expected. But I never heard of any of these people tyring his system and then disproving it.

Rob has taken some people under his wing and taught them his system for FREE and on his own dime. It isn't exactly free to travel from Phoenix to Vegas to teach someone your system, and a lot of these people have succeeded in proving his system right! They made money. So, I just have to ask myself WHY a person like Rob go out of his way to try and teach these people for FREE? It must be he really believes in his system. Is there any other answer? Of course not. You just don't travel 300 or more miles to try and teach someone something that you don't believe in. Why would he bother? Does Dancer do anything like that. Of course not. He wants you to buy his books and try the system(his) by yourself. He's not there to support you in any way shape of form. Nor is there anyone else who goes out of their way after you buy their book, "cheater" cards or anything else they have to offer.But Rob is right by their side win or lose. It takes a special person to do something like that.



What about the classes that Bob teaches at South Point and Sam's Town. Besides that were is the proof that Rob actually flies in and teaches people for free?

Would love to see them come forward and say I am winner because of Singer's system.

However I doubt that will happen.

Seems to me that the only ones endorsing Singer are you and Money.
MoneyLA
MoneyLA
Jun 29, 2011
3:37pm
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Isn't Dancer paid by the casinos? I don't know I am asking. I'm not going to eben bother with the endorsement comment.
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