Hello LVA

The M is weird. 90% of the progression on the meter takes place before anyone plays it, and with no chance of anyone hitting it. There are no more large teams and there is no need to lock up all the seats or even any seat.

One can play this exactly like a non-progressive with 3x Royals basically everyday.

Walk in, play the highest EV meter for as long as you want. Walk out, go home, and come back the next day.

Since my last post, 3 more huge Royals have hit. One at $12,000+. One at $13,000+ And one near $15,000.

IT'S A VERY FAST METER!!!

As far as me putting a team on it, there is no need. My partners and I play at our convenience. We don't even bother to swap seats. We only partner to flatten out the fluctuation.

The M progressive is to "team play" what "casual day" is to a layer's office. We are still taking depositions and filling lawsuits, but we're doing it in jeans and a teeshirt.

~FK

I'm sorry I'm too tired from playing all day to fully reply to this post. There is some kind of major disconnect in your thinking, but I''m not sure what it is. The Royal is part of the pay-table, just like every other hand is part of the pay-table. Everyone that plays when the return exceeds 100% is playing with an edge, not just the person that hit it that day.

I can try to explain it better tomorrow.

Good night all!

Thanks Frank. So when you get up in the morning here is my "disconnect.". The big royal progressive might be part of the game you are playing but it means nothing to you if you don't hit it. My example is the bonus game. Without the royal the return will never be positive. That's my disconnect.

Welcome to LVA!

My God, how much more of this tripe must we endure? "Only people who hit royal flushes are making good bets." What is it? Paint thinner? Meth? What is wrong with your brain?

NO ONE CAN PREDICT ROYALS. THEY COME RANDOMLY. How hard is that to comprehend, for chrissakes?

The last time I played VP, I got a str8 flush. I made money!! I thus proved that I chose the right machine, and played well. MY GOD.

Can you name one person who plays Singer's system, win or lose?

Based upon comments by Singer and his marketing company, not even Singer plays his own system.

Bags, I too would like any of the Singer disciples who have used his system successfully to respond. His arguments would have a lot more credibility if he wasn't the only one spouting that he's won almost $1M employing it.

It's a "system", right? Therefore, it should be easily replicated.

Also, it's no secret....he's written books, ariticles and even offers to teach people for free so there's no "trade secrets" involved.

I'm not trying to be confrontational but for the people who defend Singer's system, why aren't they playing it? If they are playing it, where are all the posts about financial success?

Think about it...if this system worked flawlessly, it wouldn't be gambling, would it? If you had the ability to make on average $100K a year for relatively little worked as compared to a conventional job, don't you think there would be a line of people waiting to get into casino's?

Other than Singer, I've honestly not read one post from anyone who says something along the lines that I've employed Singer's system for the past X years, I win 80+% of my sessions and I've made $X during this time. Contrary to what Singer indicates, this person wouldn't be ridiculed but rather revered (assuming he/she isn't a scam).

I don't buy the Singer "retirement" argument but I'll concede that it's a personal decision but riddle me this.....if you have a proven, successful, easily replicated money making system, why wouldn't you simply hire trusted people to work for you? The more money you can get down, the more you should make, right? A proverbial win-win.

The concept of win goals is not new nor voodoo magic. In fact, in negative expectation games, it's a smart play. That's not of issue and shouldn't be viewed as rocket science. Try to see past that and tell me why, if you were given the keys to the casino safe, you wouldn't be helping yourself?

Not meant to be version 2 of a 17 page diatribe but just asking what I hope are thoughtful questions.

Dan

I can honestly say, and I've stated it here before, that my son bought Singers book and started playing his system. When I finally found out about it, he told me he was up $7000 at the time using the system 3 times in Laughlin and Vegas. So this is an actual personal experience from someone I know very well and doesn't know how to lie. It really shocked him to know that I knew Rob and had dinner with him.

And loyd, Singer drives to Vegas and Laughlin and NEVER flies.

there is a huge difference between differing opinions and one guy asking the same question 2983492834729837429837429384 times and failing to understand the answer, even if that answer is posted just as many times.

How long ago was that? Does he still play the system?
If so, how's he doing lately? If not, why not?

Have you ever tried Singer's system after seeing you're son's success?
If so, how did you do? If not, why not?