Hello LVA

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Originally posted by: snidely333
Let's not turn this into a $ bashing thread.


No shit! The maturity level has really been sinking here lately,not a great way to be greeting someone new to the forum.


JOHN
There is no problem evaluating Singer's system because there is NO WAY a system can change the return of any game. That is a mathematical fact and I provided a mathematical proof recently to eliminate all doubt. If one claims the math is wrong then they are crazy or a liar.

As I said many times it is not the system itself that makes Singer a con,. It is the special plays and claims that his system is better than optimal play. The special plays reduce a person's expected return while his lies are simply there so he can promote a worthless system and steal comps from other players.

If Money or anyone think Frank is going to come to any other conclusion then they are in for another disappointment. The math is the math. This has nothing to do with opinion. There's a reason Singer is a laughing stock among APers and pros.
You see, Arcimedes, no one will dispute what you wrote. The "math" will win when you evaluate Singer "by the math." But Singer only plays by the math 95% of the time.

What Singer does is take long shots which OPENLY VIOLATE THE MATH. This is why you cannot evaluate his system. If he wins, he won because he got lucky. Remember his website, "where luck triumphs skill" or something like that??

Remember my analogy about playing craps? The "math" of craps says you should be the pass/dont pass with odds, place bets on the 6 and 8. Or come bets with odds. Thats what the math says to do in craps. But if Singer were at a craps table he would be betting hardways and horns and the field and when you get "lucky" or you have a shooter who varies from the expected math patterns, he wins big.

At craps, a "math follower" would tell the player who bets the horn that he is violating what the math of the game says to bet. The math follower wouldbe correct except if the shooter throws a lot of horn numbers.

So let me put it this way: Arc, you are evaluating Singer's "oranges" with the standards for "apples." If you keep evaluating Singer's "oranges" as if they were "apples" you will never agree. But Singer just might have the best oranges in a world of apples.

I dont know how else to explain it. As far as the math goes-- Singer is "wrong." Yes, APers might laugh at Singer. Just as some craps playes laugh at the guys who bet the horn and hardways -- until the horns and hardways keep hitting.

Arc, you should be saying this: Singer does not play strictly by the math. Singer hopes that his special plays will work. Use Singer's strategy at your own risk.

And you know what Singer can say: You can play strictly by the math. I hope that the math helps you win. Use the "math" at your own risk.

Apples and Oranges.
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Originally posted by: arcimedes


As I said many times it is not the system itself that makes Singer a con,. It is the special plays and claims that his system is better than optimal play. The special plays reduce a person's expected return while his lies are simply there so he can promote a worthless system and steal comps from other players.




Here is where we get into the lies and the fabrication of bullshit part.
Archie, can you prove, other than one time, that Singer used his players card to "steal" comps?
I will answer that for you because you dont have the balls, NO!!!!!!! YOU CAN"T!!!!

You are nothing but a monkey LIAR now!!!!!!

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA


What Singer does is take long shots which OPENLY VIOLATE THE MATH. This is why you cannot evaluate his system. If he wins, he won because he got lucky. Remember his website, "where luck triumphs skill" or something like that??



Is this the "secret play" when the progressive system is not paying?
Any gambler will take a chance on a long shot, maybe not every session, but eventually they will.

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA Remember my analogy about playing craps?
A vast majority of people who play craps lose money playing craps.

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA But if Singer were at a craps table he would be betting hardways and horns and the field and when you get "lucky" or you have a shooter who varies from the expected math patterns, he wins big.
Of that vast majority of craps players who lose, the ones who make these bets most lose most.

We finally have a post from MoneyLA that shows some integrity. Playing "Singer's" "system" is like losing at craps.

Sorry I asked.
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
There is no problem evaluating Singer's system because there is NO WAY a system can change the return of any game. That is a mathematical fact and I provided a mathematical proof recently to eliminate all doubt. If one claims the math is wrong then they are crazy or a liar.

As I said many times it is not the system itself that makes Singer a con,. It is the special plays and claims that his system is better than optimal play. The special plays reduce a person's expected return while his lies are simply there so he can promote a worthless system and steal comps from other players.

If Money or anyone think Frank is going to come to any other conclusion then they are in for another disappointment. The math is the math. This has nothing to do with opinion. There's a reason Singer is a laughing stock among APers and pros.


Can you tell us about the math..ONE more time please? Pretty please?

J
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
There is no problem evaluating Singer's system because there is NO WAY a system can change the return of any game. That is a mathematical fact and I provided a mathematical proof recently to eliminate all doubt. If one claims the math is wrong then they are crazy or a liar.

As I said many times it is not the system itself that makes Singer a con,. It is the special plays and claims that his system is better than optimal play. The special plays reduce a person's expected return while his lies are simply there so he can promote a worthless system and steal comps from other players.

If Money or anyone think Frank is going to come to any other conclusion then they are in for another disappointment. The math is the math. This has nothing to do with opinion. There's a reason Singer is a laughing stock among APers and pros.


Can you tell us about the math..ONE more time please? Pretty please?

J


We all know (even MoneyLA ) that playing a 98% game and using Singer's system is not going to turn it into a 101% game.

If Singer's game is to schlep from Phoenix to Vegas on his own dime in order to "steal" comps from his students then he really sucks as a con-man.
In week or so I'll start a new thread and check in for questions and comments directed at me.

It has become, "not my cup of tea".

I'm not leaving the forum, just this thread and taking a break.
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