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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
What Singer does is take long shots which OPENLY VIOLATE THE MATH. This is why you cannot evaluate his system. If he wins, he won because he got lucky. Remember his website, "where luck triumphs skill" or something like that??


I think this pretty well sums it up. The secret to winning is to get lucky. The EV and probability does not matter when your plan is to be lucky. I think poor old DonDiego had it right with his equation on the blackboard.
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Originally posted by: KayPea
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
What Singer does is take long shots which OPENLY VIOLATE THE MATH. This is why you cannot evaluate his system. If he wins, he won because he got lucky. Remember his website, "where luck triumphs skill" or something like that??


I think this pretty well sums it up. The secret to winning is to get lucky. The EV and probability does not matter when your plan is to be lucky. I think poor old DonDiego had it right with his equation on the blackboard.


excellent. Singer's system has been evaluated and Frank's month long project is no longer needed.
Arc, what you fail to accept is that "Singer's System" is MORE than just making the "correct holds."

I offered this example once before and I will try it again with a slight adjustment of my wording:

A casino has a new video poker game called "win or lose." You can play this game only ONCE in your lifetime. It is the ultimate "short term play" game. In this game you are dealt five cards for one hand of 9/6 Jacks or Better. You play the one hand and keep what you win, but can never play it again.

When it is your turn to play your single, once in a lifetime hand, of "win or lose" you are dealt:

10h Jh Qh Kh 3h What do you do?

This example, in my opinion, actually defines what Singer's "system" is all about. ALL of us who are long term video poker players, or attempt to be long term video poker players, would follow the "math" and go for the royal. But the game of "win or lose" is different -- you only play it once in your lifetime. So what do you do? Do you hold the flush or go for the royal?

You can argue that going for the royal still gives you a shot at another flush or a high pair or a straight -- or you could blow the payoff for the dealt flush.

Its your choice Arc. And that's all Singer's system says as well-- it's your choice. You could call it "a flush in the hand is worth a royal in the bush."

(Please note: this is NOT one of Singer's special plays, but only something I created here to help explain my interpretation of his strategy and system. I did not discuss this with Singer.)

In the future, I hope to do another interview with Singer about his bankroll management and about his idea about increasing icreasing his denomination when losing to reach his win goal. I'm curious.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arc, what you fail to accept is that "Singer's System" is MORE than just making the "correct holds."

I offered this example once before and I will try it again with a slight adjustment of my wording:

A casino has a new video poker game called "win or lose." You can play this game only ONCE in your lifetime. It is the ultimate "short term play" game. In this game you are dealt five cards for one hand of 9/6 Jacks or Better. You play the one hand and keep what you win, but can never play it again.

When it is your turn to play your single, once in a lifetime hand, of "win or lose" you are dealt:

10h Jh Qh Kh 3h What do you do?

This example, in my opinion, actually defines what Singer's "system" is all about. ALL of us who are long term video poker players, or attempt to be long term video poker players, would follow the "math" and go for the royal. But the game of "win or lose" is different -- you only play it once in your lifetime. So what do you do? Do you hold the flush or go for the royal?

You can argue that going for the royal still gives you a shot at another flush or a high pair or a straight -- or you could blow the payoff for the dealt flush.

Its your choice Arc. And that's all Singer's system says as well-- it's your choice. You could call it "a flush in the hand is worth a royal in the bush."

(Please note: this is NOT one of Singer's special plays, but only something I created here to help explain my interpretation of his strategy and system. I did not discuss this with Singer.)

In the future, I hope to do another interview with Singer about his bankroll management and about his idea about increasing icreasing his denomination when losing to reach his win goal. I'm curious.


The best play has nothing to do with whether or not you'll play the game again. Expectation is expectation. Nothing to do with short term or long term. The odds are the odds.

Snidely, I accept your answer: "The best play has nothing to do with whether or not you'll play the game again. Expectation is expectation. Nothing to do with short term or long term. The odds are the odds."

You will never be a follower of Singer. And I can't fault you for your decision.

Personally, if I only played ONE HAND of video poker (the ultimate short term play) I would hold the dealt flush.

The way I see it, THE ENTIRE issue/debate over Singer's system all comes down to this basic example. Decide what is best for you.




Ray
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Originally posted by: loydthelover
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arc, you win. I'm finished.


Does that mean you are gone for good like you promised earlier?

He's not going anywhere. He has to determine if "The Video Poker Challenge of the Decade" will be webcasted live or if it has to go direct to DVD....He has to finish defending his reputation. There is much to be done.

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: loydthelover
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arc, you win. I'm finished.


Does that mean you are gone for good like you promised earlier?

He's not going anywhere. He has to determine if "The Video Poker Challenge of the Decade" will be webcasted live or if it has to go direct to DVD....He has to finish defending his reputation. There is much to be done.


Plus defining short term vs long term play.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arc, what you fail to accept is that "Singer's System" is MORE than just making the "correct holds."


Yup, it is just a variation on many old cons. He is selling nonsense and needs a "magic elixir" to convince people he has a better idea. That is all the special plays amount to and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Now, as I've stated many, many, many, many times before. I don't care how Singer plays. I don't care how you play. People can play however they want. The point is and has always been ... when someone CLAIMS the math does not work and another approach will make people more successful, they are conning you. That is what Singer does in so many words.

Money, you just keep on confusing the issue. It is not how anyone plays. It is what they are CLAIMing. If Singer simply stated the math works fine for many people but he simply prefers going for big winners, no one would care. It's his CLAIMS that are the problem. Not the way he plays. One day you will get that through your thick skull.
What claims????

He has made no such claims to me. I have not seen these claims you refer to. Show me the con?????
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