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Loyd Vegas
Loyd Vegas
Jul 3, 2011
10:23pm
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arcimedes, Im going to be blunt with you. You have not given me one iota of any con. There are probably hundreds of Total Rewards players who use the cards of their spouse so that their points don't expire after six months of non use. Singer told me the one time he did it, he did it with the permission of the other player. Yes, he might have violated the casinos "players club rules" but that was no "con."

Arc, I have been offered $5,000 in free play from the GN and Ive never played there, so I don't care if Singer was offered $1500 in free play because he played 25 hours at a casino the previous year. When you play at his levels, they keep sending you big offers to entice you back.

And I really love this one Arc: "As for Singer making claims that no one can win using optimal play. He must have said that a hundred times. Ask anyone who has seen Singer post in the past. It's all over the archives of LVA, freevpfree and vp.com. Of course, that assumes you actually want to know the truth. Something I doubt very much." Is that a "con" Arc. Is it? It's no worse than the criticisms you make about his system.

Truth? Give me the truth. And yes, I got the point now, and here it is: It's time for you to put up or shut up.


Damn for someone who claims to be a distinquished journalist you sure do get rather pissed off pretty easy.

I guess Singer's smartass ways really rubbed off on you.

Loyd Vegas
Loyd Vegas
Jul 3, 2011
10:28pm
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Originally posted by: suecasey
"I'm finished now"

How many times are you going to say that? I'll believe it when I see it.


He won't leave Sue and he is addicted to this forum. Funny if he wasnt a friend of Singer's he would be called a addict like Singer calls all of us.

Addict! Addict! Addict!
jpcos5
jpcos5
Jul 3, 2011
10:33pm
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arcimedes, Im going to be blunt with you. You have not given me one iota of any con. There are probably hundreds of Total Rewards players who use the cards of their spouse so that their points don't expire after six months of non use. Singer told me the one time he did it, he did it with the permission of the other player. Yes, he might have violated the casinos "players club rules" but that was no "con."

Arc, I have been offered $5,000 in free play from the GN and Ive never played there, so I don't care if Singer was offered $1500 in free play because he played 25 hours at a casino the previous year. When you play at his levels, they keep sending you big offers to entice you back.

And I really love this one Arc: "As for Singer making claims that no one can win using optimal play. He must have said that a hundred times. Ask anyone who has seen Singer post in the past. It's all over the archives of LVA, freevpfree and vp.com. Of course, that assumes you actually want to know the truth. Something I doubt very much." Is that a "con" Arc. Is it? It's no worse than the criticisms you make about his system.

Truth? Give me the truth. And yes, I got the point now, and here it is: It's time for you to put up or shut up.


Since we are being blunt, let me ask you this.
Why is someone in Minnesota who makes money hand over fist playing video poker approx 20hrs/wk , so concerned about someone in Arizona who plays 25hrs/yr?
arcimedes
arcimedes
Jul 3, 2011
10:40pm
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Originally posted by: jpcos5
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arc please. youve uncovered vital incriminating evidence. You should not reveal any more here, it could put the government's case in jeopardy. immediately cease this leak of evidence. immediately go to the police. and at the same time, notify the town council, they might have another witch burning scheduled soon. there might be room for one more heretic and blasphemer.

To everyone else: Im sorry. I'm finished now.

A "con", or "confidence man" doesn't necessarily have to break any laws to remove someone's money from their pockets. He can tell a boatload of lies to sell books.

He can find a well meaning soul with a website who will promote his books and conduct interviews. That is how he has "con'd" you.


Not unlike what Dancer does.


One major difference. What Dancer sells is based on solid mathematics ... not lies.

Had you stuck with math instead of claiming it magically doesn't apply to VP then you would not be the laughing stock you are today among serious VP players. All you had to is admit to yourself that your failure as a VP player was your own doing. Drinking heavily and accurate VP play do not match.

As I've stated many time there's nothing wrong with a progressive approach to VP play. It's claiming your ER lowering special plays will lead to more winning while following sound mathematical optimal play will lead to losing that destroys your credibility completely.

jpcos5
jpcos5
Jul 3, 2011
10:43pm
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
More importantly, I want to see Arcimedes post his proof of the "con."


Well, you already stated that Singer said he did use his card in an education session last year. So, it appears to me you already have your proof. More evidence? I have the word of another person who went through a session many years ago. So, now we have two.


The education session scenario from last year has already been established. That one doesn't count.
The 2nd example you cite is almost too funny. We are to take that at face value? Coming from you?
No name, no place, no info at all. That doesn't even qualify as heresay and you call it evidence.
arcimedes
arcimedes
Jul 3, 2011
10:50pm
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Originally posted by: jpcos5
Since we are being blunt, let me ask you this.
Why is someone in Minnesota who makes money hand over fist playing video poker approx 20hrs/wk , so concerned about someone in Arizona who plays 25hrs/yr?


Singer lets go with another slip. Rob, when we used to have VP discussions I did play 20 hour/week. Now it's about 8. Don't you just hate it when you give away only things that only you would know about me while using a different ID?

As for you playing 25 hours/year ... no one cares, especially me. It's your silly nonsense about math not working when applied to VP. All I do is present the facts.

arcimedes
arcimedes
Jul 3, 2011
10:58pm
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
There is no problem evaluating Singer's system because there is NO WAY a system can change the return of any game. That is a mathematical fact and I provided a mathematical proof recently to eliminate all doubt. If one claims the math is wrong then they are crazy or a liar.

As I said many times it is not the system itself that makes Singer a con,. It is the special plays and claims that his system is better than optimal play. The special plays reduce a person's expected return while his lies are simply there so he can promote a worthless system and steal comps from other players.

If Money or anyone think Frank is going to come to any other conclusion then they are in for another disappointment. The math is the math. This has nothing to do with opinion. There's a reason Singer is a laughing stock among APers and pros.


Can you tell us about the math..ONE more time please? Pretty please?

J


For anyone just joining in:

https://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/progress/unfair.htm
jpcos5
jpcos5
Jul 3, 2011
11:06pm
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arc, please. Go to the police with this. File a report. Get a lawyer. Call the FBI. You've got him. Put him in jail. Will 40 years to life be enough for you?


You got what you ask for, Money. It has nothing to do with being a crime. But, I see you now want to change the subject.

It's all about Singer's CLAIMS. BTW, here's a nice read about his hot/cold cycles. You'll see he brings in fake ids in an attempt to back up his ridiculous assertions

https://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=400

I just read the whole discussion. Here is what I got out of it. SO WHAT?
You are worried about what somebody posted 4 yrs ago! Wow!
Let go of your Singer paranoia.
What does it matter what this guy says or does. How does it affect you?
Do you really think he is conning anybody?

jpcos5
jpcos5
Jul 3, 2011
11:10pm
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
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Originally posted by: jpcos5
Since we are being blunt, let me ask you this.
Why is someone in Minnesota who makes money hand over fist playing video poker approx 20hrs/wk , so concerned about someone in Arizona who plays 25hrs/yr?


Singer lets go with another slip. Rob, when we used to have VP discussions I did play 20 hour/week. Now it's about 8. Don't you just hate it when you give away only things that only you would know about me while using a different ID?

As for you playing 25 hours/year ... no one cares, especially me. It's your silly nonsense about math not working when applied to VP. All I do is present the facts.


You can't be serious.
By the way, you avoided the question. Why do you care so much what Singer did,does,or is going to do?
cjen
cjen
Jul 3, 2011
11:10pm
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I agree. I enjoy listening to open debate. I too have lost respect for some posters who I have admired for their posts. Mainly because of their resorting to name calling. It's evident that these posters have a high degree of intelligence. I sense some pathological tendecies have surfaced. A higher level than the normal mental defenses that we all resort to to maintain our own sense of self. Of greatest concern are the viscious nature of the attacks. These people must not feel good in their own skin and have a strong desire to make others hurt as much as they're hurting.

I wish everyone a happy and safe Independence Day.
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