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Hillary Clinton

alanleroy

Aug 12, 2015
5:18am

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Originally posted by: forkushV

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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As a private citizen, Hillary's only job is to get to 270 electoral votes in about 13 months, which she gets to do on her terms, not anyone else's.

Presidential nominees focusing on only about nine states wasn't the "original intent," but any nominee that doesn't do that is going to lose. Raising millions or now billions of dollars, wasn't the "original intent," but any candidate that doesn't do it is going to lose. And candidates get to defy the "original intent" by limiting their public and press exposure when it is to their advantage. Richard Nixon did that brilliantly with his "Rose Garden Strategy" in 1972.

So Hillary is dealing with today's reality while others here are asking her to participate in a fantasy world. If she stays the course, I like her chances.

Of course she has the right to dodge exposure and to try to limit debate. Other candidates have to right to use that to their advantage by then claiming she's cowardly and not willing to defend her positions in an open forum. Her strategy could backfire as her competitors take an 'anywhere anytime' approach and she hides in the Nixon Rose Garden. Can you imagine Lincoln backing down from the 7 Douglass debates for fear of a misstep and a drop in the polls? Neither can I....but whatever it takes to win, I guess.

Ah so limiting time and location of appearances is now "whatever it takes to win." Damn, I always thought it was called politics.

Call it what you want. Democrat Martin O'Mally calls it 'an undemocratic process'.

"We're making a big mistake, as Democrats, if we try to limit debate and have an undemocratic process," O'Malley said Monday on MSNBC's "Andrea Mitchell Reports."

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/250738-omalley-sparse-debate-lineup-undemocratic

Undemocratic indeed.

forkushV

Aug 12, 2015
7:06am

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: forkushV
As a private citizen, Hillary's only job is to get to 270 electoral votes in about 13 months, which she gets to do on her terms, not anyone else's.

Presidential nominees focusing on only about nine states wasn't the "original intent," but any nominee that doesn't do that is going to lose. Raising millions or now billions of dollars, wasn't the "original intent," but any candidate that doesn't do it is going to lose. And candidates get to defy the "original intent" by limiting their public and press exposure when it is to their advantage. Richard Nixon did that brilliantly with his "Rose Garden Strategy" in 1972.

So Hillary is dealing with today's reality while others here are asking her to participate in a fantasy world. If she stays the course, I like her chances.

Of course she has the right to dodge exposure and to try to limit debate. Other candidates have to right to use that to their advantage by then claiming she's cowardly and not willing to defend her positions in an open forum. Her strategy could backfire as her competitors take an 'anywhere anytime' approach and she hides in the Nixon Rose Garden. Can you imagine Lincoln backing down from the 7 Douglass debates for fear of a misstep and a drop in the polls? Neither can I....but whatever it takes to win, I guess.
Ah so limiting time and location of appearances is now "whatever it takes to win." Damn, I always thought it was called politics.

Call it what you want...

I can? Gee, thanks!!

I call it as American as apple pie. EVERY election cycle Democrats and Republicans who are front-runners try to limit the exposure of themselves and their opponents, while the Democrats and Republicans who are trailing shout "No fair!" If Martin what's-his-name was the front-runner, he'd be doing the same thing.

alanleroy

Aug 12, 2015
7:47am

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Originally posted by: forkushV

I can? Gee, thanks!!

I call it as American as apple pie. EVERY election cycle Democrats and Republicans who are front-runners try to limit the exposure of themselves and their opponents, while the Democrats and Republicans who are trailing shout "No fair!" If Martin what's-his-name was the front-runner, he'd be doing the same thing.

You're welcome! Sure politicians often try to duck debates or limit their interviews or avoid press conferences if they think it helps them politically. Others embrace those situations as opportunities to make their case to the people.

I prefer a candidate who'll stand up and defend his or her ideas anytime anywhere rather than shrink to the corner and hope the American people don't notice. Of course you may prefer a more calculating politician who only cares about the power and not the democratic process. That's fine. You actually have quite a few to choose from.

And, the first recorded recipe for apple pie was written in 1381 in England . So, you're wrong again.

pjstroh

Aug 12, 2015
1:56pm

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Hillary already announced a huge POLIcY plan for making college affordable. The only policy we've heard from Republicans at this point is their policy of not agreeing with Democrats policy

lvfritz

Aug 12, 2015
2:32pm

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But does Hillary have a solid plan to stay out of jail?

Roulette Man

Aug 12, 2015
2:43pm

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Hillary already announced a huge POLIcY plan for making college affordable. The only policy we've heard from Republicans at this point is their policy of not agreeing with Democrats policy

Does that include making college affordable for illegal aliens and shunning other people away from college admission that ordinarily would have qualified?

Muskeg

Aug 12, 2015
3:44pm

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I am looking forward to the Sanders/Boxer ticket easily beating the Trump/Fiorina ticket.

hoops2

Aug 12, 2015
10:25pm

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Shrillery's plan doesn't address the real problem of college tuition - out control costs that have risen at a much fast faster rate than inflation.

pjstroh

Aug 12, 2015
11:13pm

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Earlier, I said: "The only policy we've heard from Republicans at this point is their policy of not agreeing with Democrats policy"

CASE IN POINT ...

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Shrillery's plan doesn't address the real problem of college tuition - out control costs that have risen at a much fast faster rate than inflation.

Rinse and repeat for every policy idea in the last 8 years. Hoops belongs to the right party.

melonhead

Aug 13, 2015
12:53am

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Originally posted by: Muskeg
I am looking forward to the Sanders/Boxer ticket easily beating the Trump/Fiorina ticket.

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