House suing Obama?

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Constitution article 2, section 3

"the president possesses wide discretion in deciding how and even when to enforce laws."

wikipedia got it wrong. To make this accurate the sentence should end with "... Except when Don Diego disagrees."

Can someone explain what this post means?

i. The link is erroneous.

ii. marcisdave quoted the post (including the erroneous link, without comment) in a later post - never a good sign.

So, . . . where does the "wide discretion" stuff come from?


Link Fixed.

Constitution article 2, section 3
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Article 2, Section 3
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
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Ref: The United States Constitution

OK, so NOT the Constitution, but folks over the last 223 years, especially members of the Judiciary, have given the President discretion in enforcing the Laws.
Well, . . . DonDiego does also, . . . though pr'bly less wide than some.

But even wikipedia doesn't address f'rinstance the President making up a law within an Executive Order under which an employer must promise The Obama not to reduce his workforce and can be convicted of perjury if he subsequently does so. Such powers remain reserved for Kings and Totalitarian regimes. It is likely to take another decade or so for them to become "legitimate" in the United States.

And, in fact, even when Congress passes a Law at the insistence of the President the Courts may, and occasionally do, recognize the Law itself violates the Constitution, . . . f'rinstsnce, President Roosevelt's National Industrial Recovery Act. See: Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States,
(n.b.DonDiego recognizes President Roosevelt as a fine War President, in spite of the domestic policies he formulated. It's not personal.)

P.S. DonDiego is actually pleased that wikipedia did not add any reference to poor old DonDiego with regard to law enforcement or anything else. He prefers keeping a low profile.
The President can do whatever he wants, ................ even lie to a Grand Jury if he so pleases.


Rick
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

OK, so NOT the Constitution, but folks over the last 223 years, especially members of the Judiciary, have given the President discretion in enforcing the Laws.
Well, . . . DonDiego does also, . . . though pr'bly less wide than some.




Which brings us to Article 3 of the US Constituion which empowers members of the Judiciary to interpreting its writings. I looked really hard, but Ya know what I cant find anywhere in the Constitution? DonDiego being empowered to interpret its writings. So DonDiego can disagree with those pesky judical types until he is blue in the face. It doesn't matter much and carries no legal weight.

But its a free country and DOnDiego is entitled to his opinion. Unfortunately, DonDiego's record of prediciting Supreme Court rulings regarding Constitutionality is about as accurate as his record of predicitng runaway inflation.
I think it's entirely appropriate for people who think the President is acting illegally to sue him or her. I've been trying to get hoops2 and BobOrme to show some guts and sue him for months, but they just won't.

This proposed suit, however, seems stupid because:

(1) if the plaintiffs are just members of Congress or Congress itself, they won't be able to show they've been actually injured by whatever the President is said to have done wrong, and so the court will likely want to dismiss the case; and

(2) the things they apparently hope to criticize the President for doing are apparently quite popular, and stand in stark contrast to Congress' total inaction.

Obama blasts House Republicans over lawsuit threat

https://news.yahoo.com/obama-mocks-republican-lawsuit-pushes-immigration-reform-150911182.html

MINNEAPOLIS (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama on Friday blasted House Republicans who have threatened to sue him for issuing executive orders to implement policies ...

"They don't do anything except block me and call me names,"



Poor guy, won't let him play in the reindeer games hehe
I'm looking forward to finding out how much Boehner's lawsuit against the United States will cost. He wasted $2.3 million in taxpayer dollars defending the Defense of Marriage Act, after initially saying it'd only be $500k at most.

By the way, any of you had your marriages ruined by gay marriage yet?
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
I'm looking forward to finding out how much Boehner's lawsuit against the United States will cost. He wasted $2.3 million in taxpayer dollars defending the Defense of Marriage Act, after initially saying it'd only be $500k at most.

By the way, any of you had your marriages ruined by gay marriage yet?


By the way, how's the chance of 2 men having sex with each other, producing a child from said sex act and carrying it to full term?
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
I'm looking forward to finding out how much Boehner's lawsuit against the United States will cost. He wasted $2.3 million in taxpayer dollars defending the Defense of Marriage Act, after initially saying it'd only be $500k at most.

By the way, any of you had your marriages ruined by gay marriage yet?


By the way, how's the chance of 2 men having sex with each other, producing a child from said sex act and and carrying it to full term?

I'm guessing the pregnant man is going to get an abortion. It's his own damn fault for not using the free birth control he gets with Obamacare.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: DonDiegoOK, so NOT the Constitution, but folks over the last 223 years, especially members of the Judiciary, have given the President discretion in enforcing the Laws.
Well, . . . DonDiego does also, . . . though pr'bly less wide than some.
Which brings us to Article 3 of the US Constituion which empowers members of the Judiciary to interpreting its writings. I looked really hard, but Ya know what I cant find anywhere in the Constitution? DonDiego being empowered to interpret its writings. So DonDiego can disagree with those pesky judical types until he is blue in the face. It doesn't matter much and carries no legal weight.

But its a free country and DOnDiego is entitled to his opinion. Unfortunately, DonDiego's record of prediciting Supreme Court rulings regarding Constitutionality is about as accurate as his record of predicitng runaway inflation.

The really curious thing about the post quoted is that pjstroh and poor old DonDiego appear to be pretty much in agreement on this Constitutional Thing, . . . especially that bit about "its a free country and DonDiego is entitled to his opinion", . . . exception' pjstroh seems angry 'bout somethin' anyway.

[A minor point: DonDiego opines pjstroh misuses the term "empowered"; DonDiego and every other citizen is "empowered" to interpret the Constitution, . . . or any other document or even motion pitchers and TV. It's jes' that their interpretation does not carry the legal authority of the Judiciary to impose its interpretation.
More generally, and really, really important is that the Constitution does not specify everything which a citizen may do; the assumption is that if the Constitution or Laws derived in accordance with the Constitution don't prohibit it the citizen may do it.
That's what the term free country means, . . . or used to, anyway.]
Actually, yes. Well they've ruined Valentine's Day anyhow. No way straight men can compete with gay men when it comes to gift-giving.



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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
I'm looking forward to finding out how much Boehner's lawsuit against the United States will cost. He wasted $2.3 million in taxpayer dollars defending the Defense of Marriage Act, after initially saying it'd only be $500k at most.

By the way, any of you had your marriages ruined by gay marriage yet?


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