I Just Don't Get It ~ VP Systems

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Originally posted by: arshaleign
There is NO real debate because virtually all VP strategy are near identical. Bob Dancer and Dan Paymar - who don't like each other very much - have almost identical stratgies. And their strategies are just about the same as those of the Wizard of Odds (Michael Shackleford) and Wolf Software and WinPoker and Jean Scott and Frank Kneeland. Any differences all of the above have are on minor issues such as the value of penalty cards.

There is one notable exception, Mr. Singer, and he stands out because he is a charlatan who tells some people what they really want to hear. .


Appreciate your viewpoint.


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Originally posted by: arshaleign
And by the way, paytables matter. Playing dollar 8/5 Jacks or Better instead of 9/6 at 600 hands per hour will cost a player on average about $70. Not a smart move, but then again, advantage players are very grateful to people like you. Without you, the jucier pay tables, plus the cash back, mailers, and drawings, would cease to exist.


I understand why pay tables matter and never said I didn't.

I was illustrating a point by saying "Some will only play 9/6 JOB. Others will play whatever machine speaks to them. Some care about pay tables while others could give a flying flip. "

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Originally posted by: MissL7777
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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: MissL7777
Most everyone I know who plays video poker has a system, favorite game, strategy that works for him or her. Some will cash out when they get their first 4-of-a-kind and call it a day. Others will grind the machines until the wee hours of the morning.

Some will only play 9/6 JOB. Others will play whatever machine speaks to them. Some care about pay tables while others could give a flying flip.

Why ALL the debate over whose system/strategy is better than whom? Why debate systems and strategy thread after thread after thread?

I get that more than one person has made a career over selling their strategies and systems. Each author's philosophy is a little different. And, that's okay.

Why not play the machines, denominations, games that speak to you using the strategy and systems you believe in?

Seriously, I don't get why some people get all worked up over the way someone else chooses to spend their hard earned money.


I agree with you 100% but your use of the word "debate" is too kind. It's not a debate but more of a argument. It seems to be more the people that claim they are winners vs other people that claim they are winners vs people that lose and don't want to believe that others win except the people that win playing a strategy that some winners claim won't lead to winning ways.

On one hand, who gives a shit but on the other hand, it's entertaining to read the "debates".


Whoo Hoo, Snidley gets the point of my post.

He's our man. Let's give Snidely a great big hand.


I'm on a roll this week!
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Originally posted by: MissL7777
He's our man. Let's give Snidely a great big hand.


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Originally posted by: snidely333
I'm on a roll this week!




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Originally posted by: MissL7777
Most everyone I know who plays video poker has a system, favorite game, strategy that works for him or her. Some will cash out when they get their first 4-of-a-kind and call it a day. Others will grind the machines until the wee hours of the morning.

Some will only play 9/6 JOB. Others will play whatever machine speaks to them. Some care about pay tables while others could give a flying flip.

Why ALL the debate over whose system/strategy is better than whom? Why debate systems and strategy thread after thread after thread?

I get that more than one person has made a career over selling their strategies and systems. Each author's philosophy is a little different. And, that's okay.

Why not play the machines, denominations, games that speak to you using the strategy and systems you believe in?

Seriously, I don't get why some people get all worked up over the way someone else chooses to spend their hard earned money.





There are 2 types of gamblers in this world:

1. Folks that turn gambling into a "business" using every advantage they can to ensure they make money or exactly follow a specific "winning strategy".

2. Folks that gamble for a release or to have fun. It doesn't matter to these folks if they win or lose, just are they having fun.

The problems arise when the folks on the "business end" try to push their idea of gambling on the folks that have a different "winning strategy" upon which one is better.

It also gets a touch nippy when the advantage players try to explain their "winning strategy" to others that don't play like gambling is a "business". On the reverse end, some advantage players seem waay too stuffy when asked questions about how to play a specific game. (can't be bothered by mere mortals asking foolish questions)

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Originally posted by: tomdoug Why aren't you in a casino making an easy living playing video poker, instead of just posting about it? You are losing easy money every minute you are not in a casino!!!
Uh, because, as I quoted Bob Stupak: "If he plays long enough, 1/1,000 of one percent will bust the richest man in the world."

Don't you ever tire of proving yourself an IDIOT?

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Originally posted by: mrmarcus12LVA
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Originally posted by: tomdoug Why aren't you in a casino making an easy living playing video poker, instead of just posting about it? You are losing easy money every minute you are not in a casino!!!
Uh, because, as I quoted Bob Stupak: "If he plays long enough, 1/1,000 of one percent will bust the richest man in the world."




AP'ers claim to have a mathematical edge, why would they not be in a casino at least 15 hrs/day?
Possibly, just possibly, because they prefer something else? An advantage player is simply someone who WON'T PLAY without an edge. Plain and simple. You are incapable of logical thinking, so you convert this foregoing fact into a fallacy: APs must play whenever they do have an edge.
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Originally posted by: mrmarcus12LVA
Possibly, just possibly, because they prefer something else? An advantage player is simply someone who WON'T PLAY without an edge. Plain and simple. You are incapable of logical thinking, so you convert this foregoing fact into a fallacy: APs must play whenever they do have an edge.


Sorry, you can't change the rules. AP'ers "ALWAYS" have a mathematical edge with cashback,comps, and perfect play. They have been stuffing that down everyone's throat forever. Now you suddenly have to "WAIT" for an edge!!!!
If an AP'er could make money on a consistant basis, they would be in some casino daily, not on this forum talking about it.

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Originally posted by: tomdoug
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Originally posted by: mrmarcus12LVA
Possibly, just possibly, because they prefer something else? An advantage player is simply someone who WON'T PLAY without an edge. Plain and simple. You are incapable of logical thinking, so you convert this foregoing fact into a fallacy: APs must play whenever they do have an edge.


If an AP'er could make money on a consistant basis, they would be in some casino daily, not on this forum talking about it.


I can make money on a consistent basis by going to work daily but I choose to have a life, take a few days off, and read this forum instead. If you can make more money at your job by working 15 hours a day why aren't you there right now? I'm not arguing any video poker advantage play with you (the topic is boring at best). I'm arguing the fact that nobody wants to do any one thing daily for hours and even gambling would get boring if you did it 15 hours a day.
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