Vegas Free-for-All - I just read Bob Dancer's Jan 25th column

arcimedes

Feb 5, 2011
6:35am

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Originally posted by: melbedewy
Yeah, that's why he went bust as a VP "pro" in Vegas and had to move back to sunny Minnesotta with his tail between his legs and take advantage of those always lucrative and generous Indian casinos in Minnesotta.

Well, just got back from my second straight session hitting a RF. Puts me way ahead for the year even though I lost on my first 3 trips.

And, even if I had gone bust, which isn't even remotely true, I think I'd much rather be me than a pessimistic, pathetic lush like yourself.

BTW, there's this thing called a spell checker. You might want to think about using one.

arcimedes

Feb 5, 2011
6:45am

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Originally posted by: tomdoug
Your so full of shit, Yes you do have a positive EV when seated at the right VP machine, but that positive EV is over the LIFE of the machine, and nobody is that lucky.
Take your "understanding math" and shove it.

I'm far from the only person to profit almost every year. I have now won 13-14 years. So, yes I did have one losing year. However, I've had many losing quarters which for many people might be several years worth of play.

The other factor you are not considering is the amount of edge I played with over several of those years. I had one case where I had 2-2.5% 4-5 days a week. It was at Sam's Town but alas the game is now gone. You have to understand it is very difficult to lose over several hundred thousand hands when you have an edge that big.

Finally, as many on this board do, you obviously think a person can only be behind in the short term and then they catch up over the long term. Sorry, a person can be either ahead or behind in the short term. One doesn't need to play a million hands to win.

MoneyLA

Feb 5, 2011
9:17am

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Arc, Congratulations on your royal and on being "up" this year. Would you mind telling us by how much you are up?

I just remember that seminar that Dancer put on, explaining how he plays $25/coin triple line DW and had a gain of 250K for the year. Half of it coming from cash back and half of it coming from actual machine wins.

In one of our original "exchanges" on the subject of AP I questioned if risking so much money at VP was really an efficient use of resources considering the "advantage" was such a small percentage, and the risk was so great.

Perhaps I'd be more inclined to understand the value of advantage play if I knew just how much you won 13 out of 14 years playing?

Oh, by the way, I had a great night last night too at Rincon. No royals, but incredibly I came home with 14 W2Gs including ten of them for small quads (2, 3, 4) and four times I was DEALT a small quad. Absolutely an incredible run of luck. No kickers, however.

Im now up by about $16K on the year including the $10K quad aces with kicker I hit two weeks ago. However, Ive never had a profitable year playing VP. And this "run" was just short term luck-- and I know it. But if $16K in the first five weeks of the year makes me an "advantage player" I'll take the title, thank you. LOL

alanleroy

Feb 5, 2011
9:29am

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Im now up by about $16K on the year including the $10K quad aces with kicker I hit two weeks ago. However, Ive never had a profitable year playing VP.

Now's your chance. You've wrapped up a 16K profit. Quit playing VP until next January.

MoneyLA

Feb 5, 2011
9:38am

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I was thinking about that!! On the other hand, while I have a profit playing VP, my "net win" on gambling is much less because of the money I dumped playing craps. Still, I look at my existing "net win" as money I can lose before the end of the year to avoid a "taxable gain." LOL

snidely333

Feb 5, 2011
10:11am

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Originally posted by: snidely333
Now, a cute woman standing next to your urinal is another situation.

Restroom shills?

Las Vegas Hilton

arcimedes

Feb 5, 2011
10:36am

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arc, Congratulations on your royal and on being "up" this year. Would you mind telling us by how much you are up?

$11K

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
I just remember that seminar that Dancer put on, explaining how he plays $25/coin triple line DW and had a gain of 250K for the year. Half of it coming from cash back and half of it coming from actual machine wins.

In one of our original "exchanges" on the subject of AP I questioned if risking so much money at VP was really an efficient use of resources considering the "advantage" was such a small percentage, and the risk was so great.

Perhaps I'd be more inclined to understand the value of advantage play if I knew just how much you won 13 out of 14 years playing?

Oh, by the way, I had a great night last night too at Rincon. No royals, but incredibly I came home with 14 W2Gs including ten of them for small quads (2, 3, 4) and four times I was DEALT a small quad. Absolutely an incredible run of luck. No kickers, however.

Im now up by about $16K on the year including the $10K quad aces with kicker I hit two weeks ago. However, Ive never had a profitable year playing VP. And this "run" was just short term luck-- and I know it. But if $16K in the first five weeks of the year makes me an "advantage player" I'll take the title, thank you. LOL

As I've always said ... the only thing that really counts is where you end up each and every year. I could still end up behind for the 1st quarter. However, that would not be important any more than what I am up right now. Of course, I'd rather be ahead than behind.

BTW, congrats on your successes so far. However, short terms results have nothing to do with advantage play. You are an APer if you always play with an advantage. Otherwise you aren't.

MisterPicture

Feb 5, 2011
10:46am

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Originally posted by: snidely333

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: snidely333
Now, a cute woman standing next to your urinal is another situation.

Restroom shills?

Las Vegas Hilton

KarenTN

Feb 5, 2011
10:59am

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I could not read every post in this thread, so forgive me if this has been asked, but if he wanted a Land Rover, why didn't he just go to a dealership with his checkbook and buy one? He obviously had the funds available to pay cash and not have to finance and he should have been able to get a pretty good deal if he wasn't financing.

snidely333

Feb 5, 2011
11:05am

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Dancer wrote the article and played the game to illustrate an advantage play and the thought process associated with it.

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