If One Doesn't Care for Free Speech, . . . .

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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: jphelan
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Originally posted by: snidely333You put Starbucks coffee in a DD cup, too?

I wonder if Starbucks will fill your own Christmas cup if you bring it? It would be a way of being green and "saving the planet", so why would they object?

You might even get a 10 cents discount for providing your own cup.

Hmm, . . . DonDiego supposes if he were to purchase a dozen donuts and then turn on the old DonDiego charm he might well be able to wangle a free Dunkin' Donuts cup from the counter maiden, . . . or maybe even two !

Then he would truly have the best of all worlds.

Meanwhile, . . . back at Old Mizzou, . . .

DonDiego suggests his post of 11/12/15 11:40 AM includes most of the incidents precipitating the "crisis" at the University. DonDiego acknowledges that he neglected to include somebody proclaiming he was going on a hunger strike; presumedly he survived.

So, . . . given the events, . . . exactly what did the President of the Missouri University System and the Chancellor of the University of Missouri at Columbia do or fail to do so as to result in their resignations?
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Meanwhile, . . . back at Old Mizzou, . . .

DonDiego suggests his post of 11/12/15 11:40 AM includes most of the incidents precipitating the "crisis" at the University. DonDiego acknowledges that he neglected to include somebody proclaiming he was going on a hunger strike; presumedly he survived.

So, . . . given the events, . . . exactly what did the President of the Missouri University System and the Chancellor of the University of Missouri at Columbia do or fail to do so as to result in their resignations?


Two points you forgot to include:

1) The hunger striker's father make $6 million per year working for Union Pacific railroad and he was starving himself because the Obamacare law cut off his health care coverage (on his Dad's policy) when he turned 26 years old

Father Made $6m last year

He was on hunger strike because graduate students were "robbed" of their health insurance and planned parentlhood


2) The Student President Lied about "confirmed reports" that the KKK was on campus and he was a community organizer who learned his trade working with Rahm Emanual

Payton Head Interned for Rahm


Somehow this is not getting reported......

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Originally posted by: jphelan

1) The hunger striker's father make $6 million per year working for Union Pacific railroad and he was starving himself because the Obamacare law cut off his health care coverage (on his Dad's policy) when he turned 26 years old

Father Made $6m last year

He was on hunger strike because graduate students were "robbed" of their health insurance and planned parentlhood

Ahhh, . . . DonDiego begins to understand; it's a money thing after all.


For those still interested, if any, in the events at Mizzou, . . . photos of the fecal swastika and other droppings have been released by the campus police. (DonDiego will allow the interested reader, if any, to find them on the internets.) Apparently the primary suspect is a resident of the dormitory who has a habit of becoming inebriated and making hurtful remarks to Jewish students and Black students. DonDiego notes at least he is multi-cultural on such matters.
[For the record DonDiego does not approve of these activities.]
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
For those still interested, if any, in the events at Mizzou, . . . photos of the fecal swastika and other droppings have been released by the campus police. (DonDiego will allow the interested reader, if any, to find them on the internets.) Apparently the primary suspect is a resident of the dormitory who has a habit of becoming inebriated and making hurtful remarks to Jewish students and Black students. DonDiego notes at least he is multi-cultural on such matters.
[For the record DonDiego does not approve of these activities.]


None of what DonDiego mentions is unconstitutional.

But if you believe campus authorities and administration officials should turn a blind eye to a climate of racial slurs and swastika art projects then I truly feel sorry for you.

You wont find many corporations in America that protect that form of free speech, either. but I invite any of our "free speech" patriots to throw out some slurs at their next department meeting. I'm sure DonDiego and friends will give you some much needed moral support after your employer hands you a pink slip.
This student claimed that he felt unsafe from his days as an undergraduate student, but is still enrolled as a graduate student. If he felt unsafe as an undergraduate, why did he go to graduate school there?

These alleged in justices seems to be stupid college crap, not worth the football team boycotting a game or the president resigning.

Worse things are said on a NYC subway
Boiler believes that those spouting racial slurs are terrible people. Since the University is a public entity, Boiler believes that despicable comments must and should be tolerated. Private organizations should have much more leeway to limit free speech, just a a private corporation should.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
For those still interested, if any, in the events at Mizzou, . . . photos of the fecal swastika and other droppings have been released by the campus police. (DonDiego will allow the interested reader, if any, to find them on the internets.) Apparently the primary suspect is a resident of the dormitory who has a habit of becoming inebriated and making hurtful remarks to Jewish students and Black students. DonDiego notes at least he is multi-cultural on such matters.
[For the record DonDiego does not approve of these activities.]


None of what DonDiego mentions is unconstitutional.

But if you believe campus authorities and administration officials should turn a blind eye to a climate of racial slurs and swastika art projects then I truly feel sorry for you.

You wont find many corporations in America that protect that form of free speech, either. but I invite any of our "free speech" patriots to throw out some slurs at their next department meeting. I'm sure DonDiego and friends will give you some much needed moral support after your employer hands you a pink slip.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
None of what DonDiego mentions is unconstitutional.
Just so. That is DonDiego's point.

But some of it may be illegal. Apparently the campus police have determined the feces-in-the-bathroom-incident to be "tampering", . . . a lesser charge than "vandalism", because nothing was actually damaged. DonDiego supposes whatever "message" was intended by the fecal-swastika is not illegal, unless a case for a "clear threat" can be made.
DonDiego recommends determining who is guilty and applying whatever punishment is legal.

And as far as DonDiego can determine University Conduct Codes may permit expelling a student for engaging in such activities.
DonDiego has no objection to enforcement of such codes.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
But if you believe campus authorities and administration officials should turn a blind eye to a climate of racial slurs and swastika art projects then I truly feel sorry for you.
DonDiego does not believe that; in fact pjstroh and DonDiego are in agreement.
The Administration should discourage discrimination, and intimidation,and even racial slurs to the extent permissible by Law. DonDiego encourages counseling and identifying/shaming the perpetrators.
And as far as DonDiego can determine University Conduct Codes may permit expelling a student for engaging in such activities.
DonDiego has no objection to enforcement of such codes.

Nonetheless, racial slurs are not illegal.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
You wont find many corporations in America that protect that form of free speech, either. but I invite any of our "free speech" patriots to throw out some slurs at their next department meeting. I'm sure DonDiego and friends will give you some much needed moral support after your employer hands you a pink slip.
See DonDiego's response to "campus authorities and administration turning a blind eye", immediately above.
As far as DonDiego can determine Corporate Conduct Codes may permit expelling an employee for engaging in such activities.
DonDiego has no objection to enforcement of such codes.
DonDiego would provide no moral support condoning such behavior.

Nonetheless, racial slurs are not illegal.


Here's the bottom line regarding criminality in such matters:
A "hate crime" ot "bias-motivated crime" may be committed when hate or bias contribute to violation of a Law. However, a Law which criminalizes any thought or speech, no matter how offensive or hateful, is a violation of the First Amendment.
Ref: Wisconsin v. Mitchell


DonDiego recalls a childhood comeback to those who would insult/mock/belittle him: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." The First Amendment recognizes this also.
And there are people in this country who believe and preach that DD's childhood comeback is false. That words do hurt. That they hurt worse than sticks and stones.

To these people I always say "HARDEN UP PEOPLE!"

I have read some, but certainly not everything, that has caused the protest at mizzou. Gees folks, if you can't take a slur or other childless insult and shrug it off with feeling hurt.....Well, then....Your a wimp!
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