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If Prop 29 in Calif. Passed, How Many People.....

chefantwon

Jun 6, 2012
12:35pm

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Originally posted by: daviddechenne
One can not really expect rational consideration of evidence or logical thought from someone who willingly lights up a cigarette thirty or forty times a day. So all of the evidence and logic will be rationalized away, and everyone's time is wasted.

So that means our President is incapable of logical thought? /scratchn'

drmilled

Jun 6, 2012
12:51pm

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Chief- You said it.

melbedewy

Jun 6, 2012
11:00pm

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Originally posted by: drmilled
The $400/month is just for the cigarettes. The monthly medical cost varies. Smoking- an expensive, stinking, slow killing habit. Whatever satisfaction smokers derive, I wonder, in the end, how many of them would smoke if they really knew how painful their demise will be because this choice.

I think that's simplistic. I know too many people in their 70's and 80's who have been smoking for decades and are in good health and I've known too many who never smoked and are long dead from cancer.
I've never smoked myself to be clear.

hoops2

Jun 6, 2012
11:48pm

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"So lets go through this: you place a $1.00 a pack tax on smokes to raise money to pay for cancer research. If people stop smoking, you raise LESS money and then have to have ANOTHER tax to make up for the lost revenue?"

nanny bloomberg has done the same here in NYC and of course it raised less money than anticipated. The govt is running into a similiar problem with gas taxes. They mandated improved fuel efficiency, which resulted in less fuel being used and thus less gas tax revenue.

Now they are considering a tax on the amount of miles you drive by installing a device to monitor it and are trying to come up with a rationale to get around the constitution and it's privacy protections.

pjstroh

Jun 7, 2012
12:18am

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The nanny state has attacked the smoking manufacturers from all sides...but most effectively through educating the public. And it seems to have been working when you look at the decline of smokers in the population. Perhaps Mayor Bloomberg should take note of this when addressing his health care crusade in NYC.

By the time I left 4th grade I'd seen about 100 film strips showing smokers with holes drilled in their throats and the robot voice box. And then when I went to 5th grade there were a handful of kids who started smoking, anyway. I often wondered...did they not see those 100 film strips with the guy with the hole in his throat?

I feel for the older generations that were largely uneducated about the dangers of smoking. I dont have much pity for smokers in my generation and younger. They just dont have a good excuse. Fortunately, there are much fewer of them.

jasper235

Jun 7, 2012
1:03am

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There is no debating the fact that Smoking is a bad habit.

I smoked for 30+ years and after 12 attempts to quit, I am going on almost 3 years of being smoke free.

Because the forces of Society and our World are negative with death being the for sure Outcome it is hard not to do bad things.

The Government should be giving smokes away for free at every street corner. We can't afford to take care of an aging population of do gooders.
I am going on almost 3 years of being smoke free.

chefantwon

Jun 7, 2012
1:27am

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
The nanny state has attacked the smoking manufacturers from all sides...but most effectively through educating the public. And it seems to have been working when you look at the decline of smokers in the population. Perhaps Mayor Bloomberg should take note of this when addressing his health care crusade in NYC.

By the time I left 4th grade I'd seen about 100 film strips showing smokers with holes drilled in their throats and the robot voice box. And then when I went to 5th grade there were a handful of kids who started smoking, anyway. I often wondered...did they not see those 100 film strips with the guy with the hole in his throat?

I feel for the older generations that were largely uneducated about the dangers of smoking. I dont have much pity for smokers in my generation and younger. They just dont have a good excuse. Fortunately, there are much fewer of them.

100 film strips by the fourth grade? Seems a bit much there PJ, as I believe we are close to the same age.

I remember only a few, most notably the lung pictures in the 4th grade.

jatki

Jun 7, 2012
2:33am

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Originally posted by: chefantwon

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Originally posted by: drmilled
The $400/month is just for the cigarettes. The monthly medical cost varies. Smoking- an expensive, stinking, slow killing habit. Whatever satisfaction smokers derive, I wonder, in the end, how many of them would smoke if they really knew how painful their demise will be because this choice.

Depends. When I smoked, I spent all of zero days in the hospital, and I had all of 5 or 6 days off sick in more than 30 years. Do you know of a non smoker who had less sick days over that time period?

Not all smokers die of smoking related illness, while some non smokers die of cancer.

Same here. before my accident, I don't think I've been in the hospital since I was born or visiting someone and I smoked anywhere between one and and two packs a day and that was usually closer to two, My wife would get mad because a bad cold would knock her on her butt for days and my colds never put down more thatn a day. Go figger.

J

Dan Svatass

Jun 7, 2012
4:07am

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