Immunity for ex-staffer who set up Clinton email server

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Oh! So DonDiego confesses he does not know the contents of the "classified email" but he knows the contents were obvious to the sender as to their proper classification. I thank DonDiego for sharing his uninformed opinion and judgement on the subject.

Also - Don Diego obviously did not see the comments of Hillary Clinton's predecessor who engaged in the same exact practices and yet mysteriously has not been investigated by the same Republican led committee.




__DonDiego confesses ? ? ? Umm, no. Of course DonDiego does not know the contents of the classified e-mail. Unless they've been published somewhere, poor old DonDiego doesn't know the contents of any of Her e-mails; he is not on Her distribution list.

__DonDiego never mentioned anything about classification being "obvious". It is the senders responsibility to know if what She is sending is classified; if She does not know it is her responsibility to find out. Is it not obvious that the Secretary of State, a member of the President's Cabinet, should know this stuff?

__DonDiego knows the Law pertaining to handling of classified information. DonDiego knows that She signed the standard "Classified Information Non-Disclosure Agreement [SF-312]:
HR CI NDA

__DonDiego knows that beyond the SF-312 NDA, She also signed another Non-Disclosure Agreement addressing more sensitive classified information, Sensitive Compartmented Information [SCI]:
HR Clinton SCI NDA

The SCI NDA includes the following:
"I have been advised that the unauthorized disclosure, unauthorized retention, or negligent handling of SCI by me could cause irreparable injury to the United States or be used to advantage by a foreign nation.
“I understand that it is my responsibility to consult with appropriate management authorities in the Department . . . in order to ensure that I know whether information or material within my knowledge or control that I have reason to believe might be SCI."
[boldface added - DD]

The State Department said in September that Clinton’s private email system, set up at her Chappaqua, N.Y., home, was not authorized to handle SCI.
Clinton received at least two emails while secretary of state on her personal email server since marked TS/SCI—Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information—according to the U.S. intelligence community’s inspector general.


pjstroh is correct that DonDiego had not seen the comments by Colin Powell.
__ So poor old DonDiego cannot and does not know if Mr. Powell and She "engaged in the same exact practices." DonDiego is not absolutely certain that pjstroh knows that either.

Oh, . . . and that the "everybody does it" excuse is awfully weak, especially pertaining to national security.

Nonetheless, as always DonDiego recommends anyone who violates the Law should be prosecuted to the full extent of the Law. (DonDiego has stated this opinion many times within the LVA Forum)

That DonDiego recommends it does not mean it will happen, unfortunately.



"You have a madman running for President"......"but you want to obsess over emails?" Billryan

Yes, Bernie Sanders scares me too!
What else did it say? What did the other 100 say?


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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: hoops2
She should have followed her own policy that stated ALL STATE DEPT CORRESPONDANCE BE CONDUCTED ON THE STATE DEPT SYSTEM.

The classified portions of the emails have been redacted, so how does bill ryan know what was in those emails.



That's incorrect. Most of the so called classified emails are at the lowest level and arent redacted.
From Yahoo yesterday

CLASSIFIED INFORMATION

The emails are full of sections that the State Department decided were improper for release and blanked out, ranging from personal information to national secrets.

In the end, State Department reviewers classified more than 2,000 emails, mostly at the lower "confidential" and "secret" levels. Twenty-two emails were withheld entirely from publication on grounds that they were "top secret." None of these bore classification markings at the time they were sent and most were written by other officials.

Most of the time, Clinton and aides appeared keenly aware of the limitations of operating over an unclassified, nongovernment account. Sometimes they were frustrated by the constraints.

In a February 2010 message, Clinton exclaimed: "It's a public statement! Just email it." Sent moments later, the document merely said U.S. and British officials would cooperate to promote peace. "Well that is certainly worthy of being top secret," Clinton responded sarcastically.

But the State Department's Freedom of Information Act reviewers found plenty of cases where releasing the emails in uncensored form today, more than three years after Clinton left office, would pose diplomatic or national security concerns.

Many were written by advisers and experts, and then forwarded to Clinton by one of three close aides: Cheryl Mills, her chief of staff; Jake Sullivan, her director of policy planning; and Huma Abedin, her longtime personal assistant. All three remain in Clinton's inner circle.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: jatki99


Powell's not running for POTUS but regardless, are you saying because someone else did it, that makes it perfectly acceptable? If Powell jumped off a bridge..well, you know how it goes.
If he did something wrong, he should be tried as well, don't you think? Or are you sticking with the two wrongs make it right theory?


Am I defending illegal behavior? No - I'm doing what you seem to be incapable of - judging everyone on the same scale. Don't worry. You're in plenty of good company on this board.

let me clarify my point so as to help you. If what Hillary did was a crime then both Colin Powell and Condi Rice are guilty of the same behavior. But they are not being investigated....and they are not being demagogue by the right wing punditry...and nobody in the right wing propaganda circle is making the same prison-predictions for Colin/Condi as they do for Hillary. Why do you suppose that is, jatki?

Let me help. Because they don't expect any of those three to be indicted - but if they say lots of bad things about Hillary they know it makes for great red meat to give their base in an election year. And there you have it. Your leadership is lying to you, jatki. Just like when they tell you they have an alternative, better healthcare system to Obamacare.

So let me tell you what will/wont happen before November:
- Hillary, Colin and Condi will not be indicted for the 70 million dollar circus in the House
- Republicans will not submit a healthcare plan to the CBO to replace Obamacare and vote on it
- You will not turn your back on the propaganda sites that fed you a false narrative in both instances above....instead you will gladly embrace whatever new false narrative they feed you going forward.


Propaganda sites? Really? Which sites would that be PJ, the Wash. post? CNBC? My Comcast homepage? which propaganda sites have i been unknowingly reading, I'm really interested which ones and I'll certainly quit reading them.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego


pjstroh is correct that DonDiego had not seen the comments by Colin Powell.
__ So poor old DonDiego cannot and does not know if Mr. Powell and She "engaged in the same exact practices." DonDiego is not absolutely certain that pjstroh knows that either.

Oh, . . . and that the "everybody does it" excuse is awfully weak, especially pertaining to national security.



I'm not making the "everybody does it" excuse. I'm simply judging people on the same scale - which is why I dont single out political opponents to make an argument. Maybe DonDiego should try it sometime - it does wonders for one's perceived integrity.

On the issue of classified emails/personal accounts - the specific contents of both Clinton's and Powell's emails is not known to the public. yet DonDiego ascribes accountability to Clinton... and then plays the "gee whiz, I dont know the specifics" card on Powell. And that tells us all we really need to know about DonDiego's integrity, doesn't it?


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I'm not making the "everybody does it" excuse. I'm simply judging people on the same scale - which is why I dont single out political opponents to make an argument. Maybe DonDiego should try it sometime - it does wonders for one's perceived integrity.

On the issue of classified emails/personal accounts - the specific contents of both Clinton's and Powell's emails is not known to the public. yet DonDiego ascribes accountability to Clinton... and then plays the "gee whiz, I dont know the specifics" card on Powell. And that tells us all we really need to know about DonDiego's integrity, doesn't it?
DonDiego does not know the content of the e-mails or other documents in question applicable to either The Hillary or General Powell.

DonDiego is aware of the present controversy involving The Hillary. Based upon the reported facts that The Hillary did, in fact, mishandle and mis-classify official classified documents and placed classified (TS/SCI) data onto Her personal server which is illegal, and placed classified data onto a flash drive and gave it to Her lawyer who kept it in an insecure file cabinet in his office, which is illegal . . . DonDiego supports appropriate legal prosecution and punishment.

DonDiego does not know any details of how General Colin Powell is alleged to have mishandled classified information. If, in fact, he violated the Law DonDiego recommends appropriate legal prosecution and punishment.
[Perhaps pjstroh would enlighten DonDiego and other readers so that the behaviors of General Powell and The Hillary may be judged side-by-side, as pjstroh has already indicated General Powell and The Hillary engaged in "exactly the same practices". He might start with the question: Did Secretary of State Colin Powell maintain a private server in his home which was not secure so to handle classified information on which he conducted all official State Department communications? And proceed from there.]

If there is anyone else of whom DonDiego is unaware who mishandled classified documents, DonDiego recommends appropriate legal prosecution and punishment.

More generally, if someone breaks the Law generally DonDiego recommends appropriate legal prosecution and punishment. PERIOD.

DonDiego has supported this policy repeatedly in this Forum.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

[Perhaps pjstroh would enlighten DonDiego and other readers so that the behaviors of General Powell and The Hillary may be judged side-by-side, as pjstroh has already indicated General Powell and The Hillary engaged in "exactly the same practices". He might start with the question: Did Secretary of State Colin Powell maintain a private server in his home which was not secure so to handle classified information on which he conducted all official State Department communications? And proceed from there.]



Alllow me to help out! Neither a private server nor a Google account is secured by government IT departments. So before you try to nitpick Clinton and Powell on that ground - perhaps you should ask Sarah Palin how secure an ISP email address is...or show me how any perceived infracted law in this case differentiates between a private server and a public ISP.

Which brings us back to the original point. DonDiego can confidently point to Hillary's mislabeling of emails on her server as some sort of criminal offense. Colin Powell fully admits to the same behavior - I posted the link where he does. But DonDiego struggles with the latter example. Hence my conclusion in my last post.

If the Hillary chasers would admit Powell should be imprisoned too then I would disagree - But at least they would be honest with tehmselved and provide a thoughtful argument to a debate. But when they have two standards for two different people then ...well....why would any thoughtful person take them seriously?

(ps - I'll let you in on a secret, DonDiego. The FBI does not have double standards - and if the idea of Colin Powell going to jail seems far fetched to you then you should prepare for a similar judgment against Hillary. Just trying to give you a heads up for what will surely be a disappointment.)

Clinton is the only person who set up an email system from day 1 to operate outside of the state dept system. Remember there are 30.000 emails that were deleted before anyone could examine them. She said they contained emails to Bill, but we now know he doesn't do emails.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

[Perhaps pjstroh would enlighten DonDiego and other readers so that the behaviors of General Powell and The Hillary may be judged side-by-side, as pjstroh has already indicated General Powell and The Hillary engaged in "exactly the same practices". He might start with the question: Did Secretary of State Colin Powell maintain a private server in his home which was not secure so to handle classified information on which he conducted all official State Department communications? And proceed from there.]



Alllow me to help out! Neither a private server nor a Google account is secured by government IT departments. So before you try to nitpick Clinton and Powell on that ground - perhaps you should ask Sarah Palin how secure an ISP email address is...or show me how any perceived infracted law in this case differentiates between a private server and a public ISP.
DonDiego has no idea what Sarah Palin has to do with this; if she violated the Law pertaining to appropriate handling of classified information, DonDiego recommends the Government prosecute her ass.
P.S. Poor old DonDiego fixed pjstroh's link, above.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Which brings us back to the original point. DonDiego can confidently point to Hillary's mislabeling of emails on her server as some sort of criminal offense. Colin Powell fully admits to the same behavior - I posted the link where he does. But DonDiego struggles with the latter example. Hence my conclusion in my last post.
DonDiego has already agreed that if General Colin Powell violated the Law pertaining to safekeeping of classified information, the Government should prosecute his ass. Who is pjstroh arguing with?

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
If the Hillary chasers would admit Powell should be imprisoned too then I would disagree - But at least they would be honest with tehmselved[sic] and provide a thoughtful argument to a debate. But when they have two standards for two different people then ...well....why would any thoughtful person take them seriously?
DonDiego does not recall stating anyone should be imprisoned. If The Hillary and/or General Colin Powell committed a violation of the Laws pertaining to safekeeping of classified information she and/or he should be prosecuted and the appropriate punishment administered.
Now pjstroh has encountered someone who applies the same standard to violators of the same legal statute.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
(ps - I'll let you in on a secret, DonDiego. The FBI does not have double standards - and if the idea of Colin Powell going to jail seems far fetched to you then you should prepare for a similar judgment against Hillary. Just trying to give you a heads up for what will surely be a disappointment.)
DonDiego has just gotten done agreeing with pjstroh that General Colin Powell should be prosecuted/punished for his transgressions.
And DonDiego has already stated that The Hillary should be prosecuted/punished for her similar, . . . although not exactly the same transgressions.
And now pjstroh suggests no one is gonna be punished. That is a disappointment.

Is pjstroh saying that The Hillary and General Colin Powell will not be punished for violating the Law, . . . and approving of that outcome.
Having TS/NCI on a server in one's own home is a violation of the Law. And pjstroh just convinced poor old DonDiego that General Colin Powell is guilty of violating the same Laws, . . . although not exactly the same.

Why should anyone obey any law if that's how things are nowadays?

This is just the sort of behavior that leads to the downfall of civil order and sometimes even civilizations altogether.
Boiler has pointed out all along that Hillary is a liar and a crook, that Liberal voters know that Hillary is a liar and a crook, and most Liberals voters don't care that Hillary is a liar and a crook.

PJ, I thank you for agreeing with me.


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