Income Inequality

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Its called "class warfare" when you suggest wealthy people should pay the same effective rate as the working class (at least if you are a Democrat making that argument)

So...I guess we all agree that the obvious solution to this problem is to ban all taxes not based on income, right? All those other 5000 taxes are inherently unfair, so let's just shit can them. Might mean a few changes as the many states adjust their government services or income tax rates to reflect the new reality of 100% income based taxing, but this is the only way the people will ever see the true reality of how much they are taxed.

And since you seem to suggest "Wealthy people should pay the same effective rate as the working class" then you must support a flat income tax too, right? 50% for all seem about right? 30%? 10%? Well we can work out the exact rate when we agree on the size of government. Opinions on this might shift too once everyone starts paying for it equally.

I think we're making progress though. And what could possibly be more 'fair'? Everybody---rich and poor paying the same effective tax rate as you and forkush advocate.


its definitely a move in the right direction. But Income tax rates are largely irrelevant once you get to the millionaire class as those people receive most/all of their income from captial gains and dividends.

I'm all for reforming the entire tax code - but if you think Healthcare Reform was difficult wait until you try to overhaul the tax book that's packed with 10K pages of special interest kickbacks.

An easy first step would be to dispel the myth that lower capital gains/dividend taxes don't trickle down to the working class as promised (and any graph of income distribution can prove). They are the primary reason for the increasing gap between the rich and middle class in this country.


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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Its called "class warfare" when you suggest wealthy people should pay the same effective rate as the working class (at least if you are a Democrat making that argument)

So...I guess we all agree that the obvious solution to this problem is to ban all taxes not based on income, right? ...
Or for those not prone to hysterical overreaction, maybe the rates on some taxes could be adjusted so that middle class Texans don't pay four or five times the total state and local taxes compared with the top 1%.

Otherwise, the game is rigged.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Its called "class warfare" when you suggest wealthy people should pay the same effective rate as the working class (at least if you are a Democrat making that argument)

So...I guess we all agree that the obvious solution to this problem is to ban all taxes not based on income, right? ...
Or for those not prone to hysterical overreaction, maybe the rates on some taxes could be adjusted so that middle class Texans don't pay four or five times the total state and local taxes compared with the top 1%.

Otherwise, the game is rigged.
Oh right. Once we actually start talking about eliminating those unfair taxes you're bitching about the game changes. I guess we have to put you back in the category of 'never met a tax he didn't like'. And I had such high hopes.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh its definitely a move in the right direction. But Income tax rates are largely irrelevant once you get to the millionaire class as those people receive most/all of their income from captial gains and dividends.

Most flat tax proposals eliminate all deductions and tax all income the same.


The flat tax is never going to happen and actually punishes the lower classes even more. Forkie either is being disingenuous or just doesn't get it. Either way, he is not a very good numbers person. Here is a guy who doesn't pay his fair share and doesn't do any volunteer work, but whines like crazy that he is entitled.
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
The flat tax is never going to happen and actually punishes the lower classes even more. Forkie either is being disingenuous or just doesn't get it. Either way, he is not a very good numbers person.
Of course it does (punish lower classes even more).

But I thought Forkush was interested in 'fairness'. You know...where "wealthy people pay the same effective rate as the working class". The easiest way to do that is to just tax income...and tax everyone and all income at the same rate. Fair is fair. I guess he doesn't really want the rich to pay the same effective rate as the working class.

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Its called "class warfare" when you suggest wealthy people should pay the same effective rate as the working class (at least if you are a Democrat making that argument)

So...I guess we all agree that the obvious solution to this problem is to ban all taxes not based on income, right? ...
Or for those not prone to hysterical overreaction, maybe the rates on some taxes could be adjusted so that middle class Texans don't pay four or five times the total state and local taxes compared with the top 1%.

Otherwise, the game is rigged.
Oh right. Once we actually start talking about eliminating those unfair taxes you're bitching about the game changes. I guess we have to put you back in the category of 'never met a tax he didn't like'. And I had such high hopes.
Oh gosh, was I supposed to rewrite the whole tax code here and now? First, could you clear something up for me?

*Low-Tax-Haven* Texas taxes the middle class at a rate of: 8.7%.
*Bleed-the-Rich* California taxes the top 1% at a rate of: 8.7%.

I'm just looking for an explanation of the above.

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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
...Forkie either is being disingenuous or just doesn't get it. Either way, he is not a very good numbers person. Here is a guy who doesn't pay his fair share and doesn't do any volunteer work, but whines like crazy that he is entitled.
Those who rely on Roulette Man's personal attacks might want to reconsider.



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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Its called "class warfare" when you suggest wealthy people should pay the same effective rate as the working class (at least if you are a Democrat making that argument)

So...I guess we all agree that the obvious solution to this problem is to ban all taxes not based on income, right? ...
Or for those not prone to hysterical overreaction, maybe the rates on some taxes could be adjusted so that middle class Texans don't pay four or five times the total state and local taxes compared with the top 1%.

Otherwise, the game is rigged.
Oh right. Once we actually start talking about eliminating those unfair taxes you're bitching about the game changes. I guess we have to put you back in the category of 'never met a tax he didn't like'. And I had such high hopes.
Oh gosh, was I supposed to rewrite the whole tax code here and now? First, could you clear something up for me?

*Low-Tax-Haven* Texas taxes the middle class at a rate of: 8.7%.
*Bleed-the-Rich* California taxes the top 1% at a rate of: 8.7%.

I'm just looking for an explanation of the above.

You bitch about taxes being unfair because rich and middle class end up paying different effective rates when considering income. But when someone proposes basing all taxes on an equal % of income the truth comes out. You don't really want the rich and middle class to pay the same effective rate. You just want to raise taxes.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
...Forkie either is being disingenuous or just doesn't get it. Either way, he is not a very good numbers person. Here is a guy who doesn't pay his fair share and doesn't do any volunteer work, but whines like crazy that he is entitled.
Those who rely on Roulette Man's personal attacks might want to reconsider.




That's about your speed and I figured that because you are getting your ass handed to you, that you would probably resort to it. All I said when that girl made the report was to wait for the evidence, while you had convicted her.

Is it true you don't work Forkie?
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