Vegas Free-for-All - The inevitable math of healthcare

The inevitable math of healthcare

pjstroh

Feb 25, 2017
3:46am

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Well now - this is just beautiful. Republicans now want to "fix" Obamacare instead of repeal and replace - just like Democrats have been saying all along. ....
I'm not in charge Fritz, but I wont give nebulous, bullshit answers like you did for 8 years. There's lots of ways you can fix Obamacare. Here's just a handful:
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- Best idea of all: Get rid of the completely useless INsuance Companies that do nothing except rake in billions of dollars and provide no service one could not get from Medicare.

So you agree with Republicans that Obamacare needs to be Repealed and Replaced. It's just you want to replace it with Nationalized Health Insurance.

It'll Never happen but I would love that. I would cheer any Republican that agree. Do you know of one?

hoops2

Feb 25, 2017
6:09am

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We have nationalized health care for seniors. It is currently bankrupt. PJ wants to double down & use it for everybody.

pjstroh

Feb 25, 2017
6:20am

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We have nationalized health care for seniors. It is currently bankrupt.

Hoops lies almost as much as Trump. And he offers about as many thoughtful ideas on healthcare.

Medicare does just fine as long as you don't let Republicans sabotage it with unpaid supplements to it...or by killing its ability to negotiate. And I'll put Medicare's satisfaction rates by customers Up against any scumbag private insurance company.

Don

Feb 25, 2017
6:45am

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Medicare does just fine as long as you don't let Republicans sabotage it with unpaid supplements to it...or by killing its ability to negotiate. And I'll put Medicare's satisfaction rates by customers Up against any scumbag private insurance company.

Many doctor's 'round here don't accept patients who have no coverage beyond Medicare; if'n poor old DonDiego didn't have insurance provided along with his modest pension, his choices would be severely limited.

The first physician whom DonDiego had when he moved here gave up his private practice when Obamacare was enacted, in spite of The President of the United States assuring DonDiego that he could "keep his doctor".

hoops2

Feb 25, 2017
6:51am

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Medicare's current unfunded liability is $40 trillion. Most people would consider that bankrupt. Fraud is estimated at $100 billion annually.

When my parents were in the nursing home, their doctor would stop in the doorway & ask how they were doing. If they complained about something, he would change the prescription. Either way it would count as a visit & he would bill medicare. Time with the patient rarely exceeded 5 minutes

That is not patient care

pjstroh

Feb 25, 2017
7:31am

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Medicare does just fine as long as you don't let Republicans sabotage it with unpaid supplements to it...or by killing its ability to negotiate. And I'll put Medicare's satisfaction rates by customers Up against any scumbag private insurance company.

True. And you could easily have Medicare cover the same things the private supplemental do. But I suspect DonDiego would have huge reservations about paying premiums to the big bad government. INsurance is not a complicated business model. You take money from the larger group and distribute it to the smaller one.

There's a reason why the rest of the world pays half as much for healthcare as we do. Whats the common attribute they share? Their system is based upon the Libertarian ideas of "every man for himself" and "the government ruins everything they touch". Our Free Market hasn't improved outcomes, costs, life expectancy, or customer satisfaction. But its damn good for investors.

hoops2

Feb 25, 2017
7:59am

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The US has one of the highest survival rates for cancer & heart patients, which is a good indicator of health care. People were satisified with their health coverage prior to obamacare. The US life expectancy is hindered by our lousy lifestyle which includes bad diet, lack of exercise, lead poisoning drug & alcohol abuse. One more time, the medical insurance business is a low profit business, but it doesn't have a $40 trillion unfunded deficit like medicare does.

pjstroh

Feb 25, 2017
12:11pm

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One more time, the medical insurance business is a low profit business, but it doesn't have a $40 trillion unfunded deficit like medicare does.

One more time - you make up shit and post it on message boards - and then expect people to engage you thoughtfully.

IndyBoilerman

Feb 25, 2017
9:13pm

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I learned about mandates long ago.

Obama promised no new taxes for 99% of America. That equals no more taxes, lots more free sheet, lower medical costs. That was the promise. Would PJ explain where they money was to come from? Was it magic money from Heaven, or was the money going to generated from Obamacare efficiencies leading to savings..................as was promised. What other explanation was there, PJ?

Did PJ bother to read about the new taxes on those earned less than $250,000 per year? One more big fat Obama lie.

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I argued all along that the PROMISED savings would never happen. They have not. That has led to the inevitable increase in taxes on the middle class, which Obama and friends assured would never happen................"Not one dollar!"

Tax increase that were promised not to happen

The plan is still bleeding money, and more taxes are to come. Why didn't anyone listen to me? Well, quite frankly, it's because Democrats wanted their plan at literally any cost.

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There were so many Obama lies, I forgot about this one.

How was all of the free shit going to be paid for, if not "from the Obamacare savings".

Whats the lie? What tax are you paying for now that you weren't before? Do tell.

It seems like your blaming Obama for provisions that only exist in the GOP plan

Really? The individual mandate was a fine print line item in Obamacare that nobody knew about until now? That's your big "wealth redistribution" story? I'm still waiting for you to show me where Democrats or posters on this board said th3e cost savings in Obamacare paid for all of it.

In the meantime your small government Republicans are secretly embracing many of the "Big government takeover" provisions that they told you to get upset about under Obamacare. I suspect you'll warm up to them much more as soon as Republicans tell you its ok. That's generally how it works

IndyBoilerman

Feb 25, 2017
9:15pm

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Boiler votes for repeal, and not replace.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Well now - this is just beautiful. Republicans now want to "fix" Obamacare instead of repeal and replace - just like Democrats have been saying all along. ....
I'm not in charge Fritz, but I wont give nebulous, bullshit answers like you did for 8 years. There's lots of ways you can fix Obamacare. Here's just a handful:
.....
- Best idea of all: Get rid of the completely useless INsuance Companies that do nothing except rake in billions of dollars and provide no service one could not get from Medicare.

So you agree with Republicans that Obamacare needs to be Repealed and Replaced. It's just you want to replace it with Nationalized Health Insurance.

It'll Never happen but I would love that. I would cheer any Republican that agree. Do you know of one?

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