The IRS claims to not have enough money

Maybe they should have been more careful with the 132 BILLION DOLLARS they wrongly paid out in Earned Income Tax Credits between 2003 and 2012.

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201340084fr.pdf



no matter how left or right leaning your views are, it would take no genius to realize that the gubment has never been good at managing anything, especially money!
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
Maybe they should have been more careful with the 132 BILLION DOLLARS they wrongly paid out in Earned Income Tax Credits between 2003 and 2012.

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201340084fr.pdf


Bingo! Sorta. Well, no.

The IRS does not file tax returns on behalf of individuals, do they? They can only check the accuracy of the returns they get. As it stands they have enough resources to audit 1% of the population. Tax cheats at the low income level (improperly citing the Earned Income tax Credit) have a 99% chance of getting away with it. Why on earth anyone would want to reduce instead of increase IRS resources to track down this fraud is beyond me. The added resources would pay for themselves many times over. They would catch more cheaters and incentivize potential cheaters to think twice before cheating.

Part of Obamacare was increasing the staff dedicated to tracking down Medicare fraud. They've recovered billions beyond the cost of hiring the extra staff. Sometimes big government pays big dividends for taxpayers.
To defend the IRS, at least they provide a service to the government. Many government programs essentially do nothing and are just there as a hidden form of social welfare for the employees who wouldn't be able to get a decent job today because their skills are obsolete. I have pretty good information that we could replace much of the IRS workforce with computer programs but then what would those people do?

If the government really wants to eliminate waste it needs to focus more on medicare and medicaid fraud. The GAO estimates that about 10% of the cost of those programs are fraudulent claims. It's about 50 billion dollars lost a year to criminals which is several times the entire IRS budget.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
Maybe they should have been more careful with the 132 BILLION DOLLARS they wrongly paid out in Earned Income Tax Credits between 2003 and 2012.

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201340084fr.pdf


Bingo! Sorta. Well, no.

The IRS does not file tax returns on behalf of individuals, do they? They can only check the accuracy of the returns they get. As it stands they have enough resources to audit 1% of the population. Tax cheats at the low income level (improperly citing the Earned Income tax Credit) have a 99% chance of getting away with it. Why on earth anyone would want to reduce instead of increase IRS resources to track down this fraud is beyond me. The added resources would pay for themselves many times over. They would catch more cheaters and incentivize potential cheaters to think twice before cheating.

Part of Obamacare was increasing the staff dedicated to tracking down Medicare fraud. They've recovered billions beyond the cost of hiring the extra staff. Sometimes big government pays big dividends for taxpayers.

The fact they aren't anywhere close to complying with President Obama's orders to reduce these payments and they never even put in place a process to identify high dollar payments per executive order reeks more of an organization lacking focus, competence and priorities.

Throwing money down a rat hole never fixes the rat infestation. I bet a lot of this bloated organization could be outsourced for less money while performing at higher levels. At a bare minimum, the whole top echelon there could use a major shakeup. Bring in a guy like Jack Welch to run it for a couple of years.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
Maybe they should have been more careful with the 132 BILLION DOLLARS they wrongly paid out in Earned Income Tax Credits between 2003 and 2012.

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201340084fr.pdf


Bingo! Sorta. Well, no.

The IRS does not file tax returns on behalf of individuals, do they? They can only check the accuracy of the returns they get. As it stands they have enough resources to audit 1% of the population. Tax cheats at the low income level (improperly citing the Earned Income tax Credit) have a 99% chance of getting away with it. Why on earth anyone would want to reduce instead of increase IRS resources to track down this fraud is beyond me. The added resources would pay for themselves many times over. They would catch more cheaters and incentivize potential cheaters to think twice before cheating.

Part of Obamacare was increasing the staff dedicated to tracking down Medicare fraud. They've recovered billions beyond the cost of hiring the extra staff. Sometimes big government pays big dividends for taxpayers.


PJ ever hear of computers? One can set up a system to check returns for suspicious activity and flag those to be checked. Of course we ARE talking about making sense and the government. Neither which will ever go hand in hand.

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
Maybe they should have been more careful with the 132 BILLION DOLLARS they wrongly paid out in Earned Income Tax Credits between 2003 and 2012.

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201340084fr.pdf


Bingo! Sorta. Well, no.

The IRS does not file tax returns on behalf of individuals, do they? They can only check the accuracy of the returns they get. As it stands they have enough resources to audit 1% of the population. Tax cheats at the low income level (improperly citing the Earned Income tax Credit) have a 99% chance of getting away with it. Why on earth anyone would want to reduce instead of increase IRS resources to track down this fraud is beyond me. The added resources would pay for themselves many times over. They would catch more cheaters and incentivize potential cheaters to think twice before cheating.

Part of Obamacare was increasing the staff dedicated to tracking down Medicare fraud. They've recovered billions beyond the cost of hiring the extra staff. Sometimes big government pays big dividends for taxpayers.

The fact they aren't anywhere close to complying with President Obama's orders to reduce these payments and they never even put in place a process to identify high dollar payments per executive order reeks more of an organization lacking focus, competence and priorities.

Throwing money down a rat hole never fixes the rat infestation. I bet a lot of this bloated organization could be outsourced for less money while performing at higher levels. At a bare minimum, the whole top echelon there could use a major shakeup. Bring in a guy like Jack Welch to run it for a couple of years.


You specifically pointed to the earned income tax credit. How does the IRS check the accuracy of people claiming that tax credit without an audit of the returns? And how do you audit more returns with fewer resources?

PS- Don't bother Jack Welch. He's busy trying to figure out how Obama faked the unemployment numbers.



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Originally posted by: chefantwon


PJ ever hear of computers? One can set up a system to check returns for suspicious activity and flag those to be checked. Of course we ARE talking about making sense and the government. Neither which will ever go hand in hand.


That's huge!

You have a computer that can verify if a child is still living with his step-mother or decided to go live with his dad? Send that puppy to Washington chef. And then get to work on world peace !
Maybe school districts should keep track of the social security numbers of the students in their district and then the IRS could track children better......Oh I forgot, we have illegal aliens in the schools who do not have social security numbers. Well at least they could track the Americans....
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: chefantwon


PJ ever hear of computers? One can set up a system to check returns for suspicious activity and flag those to be checked. Of course we ARE talking about making sense and the government. Neither which will ever go hand in hand.


That's huge!

You have a computer that can verify if a child is still living with his step-mother or decided to go live with his dad? Send that puppy to Washington chef. And then get to work on world peace !

I bet you didn't know that some SINGLE people who don't have (and never had) children can receive Earned Income Tax Credit refunds.

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