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Boilerman
Boilerman
Apr 21, 2015
10:18pm
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I fully agree. Some Liberals again believe that the solution to poor IRS performance is more funding.


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Originally posted by: vegasdev
no matter how left or right leaning your views are, it would take no genius to realize that the gubment has never been good at managing anything, especially money!


Boilerman
Boilerman
Apr 21, 2015
10:21pm
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The IRS spends twice as much yet doesn't have the resources to audit as many people as they did 32 years ago. PJ believes that the solution to this poor performance and terrible resource mismanagement is more resources.




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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
Maybe they should have been more careful with the 132 BILLION DOLLARS they wrongly paid out in Earned Income Tax Credits between 2003 and 2012.

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201340084fr.pdf


Bingo! Sorta. Well, no.

The IRS does not file tax returns on behalf of individuals, do they? They can only check the accuracy of the returns they get. As it stands they have enough resources to audit 1% of the population. Tax cheats at the low income level (improperly citing the Earned Income tax Credit) have a 99% chance of getting away with it. Why on earth anyone would want to reduce instead of increase IRS resources to track down this fraud is beyond me. The added resources would pay for themselves many times over. They would catch more cheaters and incentivize potential cheaters to think twice before cheating.

Part of Obamacare was increasing the staff dedicated to tracking down Medicare fraud. They've recovered billions beyond the cost of hiring the extra staff. Sometimes big government pays big dividends for taxpayers.


Boilerman
Boilerman
Apr 21, 2015
10:30pm
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If one wants to learn the truth, I suggest that you Google and do some selective reading of the IRS annual report from 1983 and from 2014. One can read about the IRS budget, IRS audit rate, the number of tax returns evaluated and so on. I went as far as plugging in the 1983 IRS budget, and correcting it for inflation to 2014 dollars.

I challenge anyone to do this and then explain to me why the hell would we ever give the IRS more money. The Liberal solution is always more money, then we get more poor performance and again demands for more money. With today's technology, the IRS should be doing twice as much half the dollars, but instead they are doing half as much with twice the dollars. The agency needs to be fully eliminated.
forkushV
forkushV
Apr 21, 2015
11:40pm
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The IRS spends twice as much yet doesn't have the resources to audit as many people as they did 32 years ago...
Source?


hoops2
hoops2
Apr 22, 2015
12:26am
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The solution is a simpler tax code with only a few deductions and no tax credits
jatki
jatki
Apr 22, 2015
5:19am
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The IRS spends twice as much yet doesn't have the resources to audit as many people as they did 32 years ago...
Source?


If he did what he said he did, he just told you.

jatki
jatki
Apr 22, 2015
5:20am
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Originally posted by: hoops2
The solution is a simpler tax code with only a few deductions and no tax credits




How about eliminate the IRS altogother and revert to a flat tax and national sales tax or something like that.
jatki
jatki
Apr 22, 2015
5:27am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
Maybe they should have been more careful with the 132 BILLION DOLLARS they wrongly paid out in Earned Income Tax Credits between 2003 and 2012.

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201340084fr.pdf


Bingo! Sorta. Well, no.

The IRS does not file tax returns on behalf of individuals, do they? They can only check the accuracy of the returns they get. As it stands they have enough resources to audit 1% of the population. Tax cheats at the low income level (improperly citing the Earned Income tax Credit) have a 99% chance of getting away with it. Why on earth anyone would want to reduce instead of increase IRS resources to track down this fraud is beyond me. The added resources would pay for themselves many times over. They would catch more cheaters and incentivize potential cheaters to think twice before cheating.

Part of Obamacare was increasing the staff dedicated to tracking down Medicare fraud. They've recovered billions beyond the cost of hiring the extra staff. Sometimes big government pays big dividends for taxpayers.


I certainly don't have any hard numbers but it seems that given the way govt works they wouldn't get back the extra money put into it. I'd venture to bet they'd only return 10-25 cents on the dollar they put into it.

forkushV
forkushV
Apr 22, 2015
5:56am
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The IRS spends twice as much yet doesn't have the resources to audit as many people as they did 32 years ago...
Source?


If he did what he said he did, he just told you.
If.

chefantwon
chefantwon
Apr 22, 2015
8:00am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: chefantwon


PJ ever hear of computers? One can set up a system to check returns for suspicious activity and flag those to be checked. Of course we ARE talking about making sense and the government. Neither which will ever go hand in hand.


That's huge!

You have a computer that can verify if a child is still living with his step-mother or decided to go live with his dad? Send that puppy to Washington chef. And then get to work on world peace !



Try cell phones GPS feature.


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