IRS judge requiring IRS to appear under oath. Non-Vegas

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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
A 501 c 3 organization is walking a very fine line when they start throwing contributed money to a political campaign. They must answer many questions on the Form 990.

I'm really shocked that pj didn't fully disclose why groups wanted the NAACP audited.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
A 501 c 3 organization is walking a very fine line when they start throwing contributed money to a political campaign. They must answer many questions on the Form 990.

I'm really shocked that pj didn't fully disclose why groups wanted the NAACP audited.

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The NAACP did not donate money to any campaign...and if you read the link I provided you will see that it discloses the information you say I did not disclose. But who cares? I'm not defending the NAACP...I'm responding to Jatki's inquiry regarding if it even happened....and I'm pointing out hypocrisy by people who have different judgments then vs now.

And the fine line you speak of is bogus. There is no fine line. That's the problem. Crossroads for America doled out 100's of millions of dollars in the last election cycle on ads for and against political candidates. And They were given tax exempt status as a social welfare organization. And conservatives are pissed that this even came into question by the IRS - the same conservatives who cheered when the IRS audited the NAACP...and never mind the IRS was doing it towards liberal groups too. I don't take the faux outrage seriously.

But there is legitimate outrage to be had: If you pay taxes in this country it should outrage you that ANY super pac of ANY political persuasion is allowed to dodge taxes.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

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Originally posted by: jatki99
I highly doubt this will ever get back to O, I'm not even sure he has much to do with this whole thing. If any "orders/suggestions" came down from the WH to the IRS I would guess it came from the presidents minions. I think it's laughable that some here just just completely shrug it off, flippantly say "never happened" or that the IRS targeted liberal groups also. Huh? Where? when? *. It was already admitted that something went on and it was promised to "get to the bottom of it", where it was found that a couple rogue office workers in cincy were behind it.
I guess anyone can deny all they want because there's no absolute proof (yet,may never be...but), but there sure as hell is a smoking gun.

All partisanship tossed aside, I would think this type of thing happening should scare the living piss outta everyone,one group being able to sic the tax man on any particular group for political purposes or gain. It's beyond shameful.


*I know PJ posted something about it happening back in '06 or something, if so I never heard of it but I'd be highly pissed if it's true.

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GOOGLE is a powerful tool for people looking for facts.

Under W the IRS audited the NAACP at the request of Republicans

Official investigation from the most recent scandal shows IRS also targeted liberal groups...
CNN

In fact, the only group to ultimately be denied 501c status was a liberal group...
Emerge America - Democratic group trains women to run for office

The only scandal in this whole nonsense is that any of the super-pac groups were allowed to dodge taxes under the guise of a social welfare organization. I have news for you.....Karl Rove's "Crossroads for America" is nothing but a partisan campaign funding machine. And the same is true for the aformentioned Democratic group. So as if its not bad enough the Supreme Court has allowed these groups to even exist...now they dont have to pay taxes either.

If there is something to be "pissed off about" its the fact that over a billion dollars went untaxed in the last election cycle by special interest groups gaming the system. A more thoughtful complaint would be to ask why more PACs were not targeted, instead of complaining about the ones that were.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ is the one of the few sensible Liberals on this site. I'm specifically asking PJ if he believes that the IRS targeted conservative groups in an attempt to help Obama win the election. Next question, does PJ believe that Obama (from a distance), via a wink and a nod, urged such actions?

I'm confident that many on this site don't care.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman


I'm confident that many on this site don't care.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ is the one of the few sensible Liberals on this site. I'm specifically asking PJ if he believes that the IRS targeted conservative groups in an attempt to help Obama win the election. Next question, does PJ believe that Obama (from a distance), via a wink and a nod, urged such actions?

I'm confident that many on this site don't care.

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I don't believe in anything without evidence. But its a shame that more targeting of all groups was not done. The reaction to these revelations is going in the exact opposite direction that it should.

If there are any groups that deserved to be taxed heavily in this country it is special interest propaganda machines. Instead, there are now committees in Congress to make all such groups tax free. That pisses me off. How about you?

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I would argue that there is substantial evidence suggesting that Obama and the IRS committed crimes, but certainly nothing (yet) which would lead to conviction.

Given what you know now, PJ, do you believe that the IRS and/or President Obama, illegally targeted groups?

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