Is News Corp Going down?

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Originally posted by: malibber
You do realize there wouldn’t be a country for you conservatives to mess up if It weren’t for the Liberals. I hate to break it to you our founding fathers were liberal. The American revolution was a revolution by leftists. The conservatives back then were spouting out the greatness of King George and the mercantile system.


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Thank you for clarifying that liberals are for slavery and the slave trade.



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Originally posted by: melbedewy
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Originally posted by: malibber
You do realize there wouldn’t be a country for you conservatives to mess up if It weren’t for the Liberals. I hate to break it to you our founding fathers were liberal. The American revolution was a revolution by leftists. The conservatives back then were spouting out the greatness of King George and the mercantile system.


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Thank you for clarifying that liberals are for slavery and the slave trade.



How do they say 'Rosebud' in Australian?
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Originally posted by: malibber
Again the 20 year old that guessed the answers to Sarah Palin's security questions at Yahoo mail was given a one year in the Federal Pen and three years of supervised release. His act didn't meet your definition of hacking in that sense either. He only hacked one account not hundreds or 1000s and he didn't bribe anyone.

Anyway for those of you not familiar of how they worked this: they would bribe police officers and government officials to obtain the cell phone numbers of: celebrities, members of the royal family, government officials, medical doctors, crime victims and so on. Then they would dial the number and repeatedly try the default passwords that the device manufacturer issued until they got the right one. They would retrieve the voice mails on the device. They would use this in a variety of ways for instance if a high ranking government official got a voice mail from a Doctor's office reminding them of their son's Doctor appointment they looked the Doctor up to see what kind of conditions he treated, and then they reported an exclusive about the medical condition of the government official’s son.


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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: jphelan
Personally, I find the term "hacked" to be a stretch in this case. The definition I see is:

7. (Electronics & Computer Science / Computer Science) to manipulate a computer program skilfully, esp, to gain unauthorized access to another computer system


This is voice mail and not a traditional computer system per se. Who the heck uses voice mail today anyway?

Having said that, I cannot defend anyone who performed this act, especially if it hindered a police investigation. The people responsible should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If the higher ups authorized this action before it was done, they should be prosecuted as well. If the higher ups found out after the fact, they should only be prosecuted if involved in a cover-up.


Besides, would Rupert know the IP address where the server was that stored the messages? Oh I forgot, Rupert knows everything..



How are you going to get the deleted voice mails? They are unaccessable from the phone after a certain period of time. Also, who is doing all of this trail and error stuff? Where are the folks that did the actual put the numbers in and see if it works? If not, who wrote and ran the computer program? Some of those folks should be talking, where are they?

I'm sure 'ole Rupert spent his free time entering in those 4 digit codes to hack the voice mails.....

It's not trial and error every major cell phone maker put default passwords into their cell phone. They simply looked for that celebrity's cell phone maker and inserted the default password and they had access to their voice mails. They were retrieving any message that was available to them including the ones that hadn't even been listened to yet by the rightful owner. Indeed that is what fouled up the disappearance investigation of the 13 year old girl. The authorities and the girl's parents thought she had simply ran away because she was retrieving her voice mails they left for her.

I believe the correct term is: bugger.

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
How do they say 'Rosebud' in Australian?


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Originally posted by: malibber
It's not trial and error every major cell phone maker put default passwords into their cell phone. They simply looked for that celebrity's cell phone maker and inserted the default password and they had access to their voice mails. They were retrieving any message that was available to them including the ones that hadn't even been listened to yet by the rightful owner. Indeed that is what fouled up the disappearance investigation of the 13 year old girl. The authorities and the girl's parents thought she had simply ran away because she was retrieving her voice mails they left for her.


In order to do that they need the phone numbers. Cell numbers are typically unlisted and your going to have to pay to get them. (I screen all of my calls, any number I don't reconize gets looked up)

Once you get the cell numbers, the phone has to have the service as to check the voicemail from another phone. (you can turn on/off this function)

Messages are only stored for a specific time frame (verizon is 90 days) then you have to get it from the phone company unless they are purged/deleted.

In any case SOMEBODY is doing these functions (I.E. a human being) and that person/persons was told to do it from someone. A big boss NEVER gives direct orders to do anything illegal, it is ALWAYS an underling that interpets and then acts upon a perceived order. In any case, where are these people?
A major part of this scandal is that employees of News Corp. are acussed of both bribing police in order to get the cell phone numbers
of the victims, and also bribing the intial investigators who looked into the charges. As these actions continued after the #2 person was replaced, it would seem to indicate that this was not a rogue operation ran by low level staffers.
Where are these people? Have you been following the story on a non-Fox network?
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Originally posted by: billryan
A major part of this scandal is that employees of News Corp. are acussed of both bribing police in order to get the cell phone numbers
of the victims, and also bribing the intial investigators who looked into the charges. As these actions continued after the #2 person was replaced, it would seem to indicate that this was not a rogue operation ran by low level staffers.
Where are these people? Have you been following the story on a non-Fox network?


Does CBS news count?
Chef the facts are well known at this point. The only dispute at this point is how high up the food chain the wrong doing goes.

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The police had seized files from Mulcaire’s home in 2006 that contained several thousand mobile phone numbers of potential hacking victims and 91 mobile phone PIN codes. Scotland Yard even had a recording of Mulcaire walking one journalist — who may have worked at yet another tabloid — step by step through the hacking of a soccer official’s voice mail, according to a copy of the tape. But Scotland Yard focused almost exclusively on the royals case, which culminated with the imprisonment of Mulcaire and Goodman.


To see more of the details on how it was done:
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/magazine/05hacking-t.html?pagewanted=all

I am not going to debate how it happened as nobody really disputes it happened at this point including News Corp the only real dispute is did management know about it. At this point some members of the upper management have been arrested.



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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: malibber
It's not trial and error every major cell phone maker put default passwords into their cell phone. They simply looked for that celebrity's cell phone maker and inserted the default password and they had access to their voice mails. They were retrieving any message that was available to them including the ones that hadn't even been listened to yet by the rightful owner. Indeed that is what fouled up the disappearance investigation of the 13 year old girl. The authorities and the girl's parents thought she had simply ran away because she was retrieving her voice mails they left for her.


In order to do that they need the phone numbers. Cell numbers are typically unlisted and your going to have to pay to get them. (I screen all of my calls, any number I don't reconize gets looked up)

Once you get the cell numbers, the phone has to have the service as to check the voicemail from another phone. (you can turn on/off this function)

Messages are only stored for a specific time frame (verizon is 90 days) then you have to get it from the phone company unless they are purged/deleted.

In any case SOMEBODY is doing these functions (I.E. a human being) and that person/persons was told to do it from someone. A big boss NEVER gives direct orders to do anything illegal, it is ALWAYS an underling that interpets and then acts upon a perceived order. In any case, where are these people?


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