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Jackie Robinson Little League sues everyone.

billryan
billryan
Feb 14, 2016
8:17am
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The suit wasnt filed by the league, as bm inaccurately describes. It was bought by team parents against the league.
Boilerman
Boilerman
Feb 14, 2016
8:42am
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Oh my. The first lawsuit was brought by the league, and it was dropped. The recent suit was brought by the parents.


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Originally posted by: billryan
The suit wasnt filed by the league, as bm inaccurately describes. It was bought by team parents against the league.


Boilerman
Boilerman
Feb 14, 2016
8:50am
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I agree with with everything that Tommany has posted. I certainly don't blame the kids, even they knew that ringers were brought in. Kids are simply going to follow the lead from the crooked coach and parents.

Some of the surrounding leagues helped to cover up the scam, or at least didn't turn them in. One, or possibly more than one league filed a complaint with Little League International.


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Originally posted by: Toomany10pins
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The surrounding leagues participated in the violation.


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Boiler not only played Little League Baseball, high school baseball, and Division One College baseball, he coached Little League for many years in both Ohio and Indiana. The rules are simple and clear regarding league geography, or more accurately player volume, and the Robinson Little League violated those rules.



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Which is more likely to have happened?
1) The neighboring leagues allowed JR gerrymandering the borders to get all the good players or
2) the neighboring leagues gerrymandered JR so it got all the minority players.
Since BM is such an expert on Little League, how about he define the boundaries of his local league. He expects every ten year old and their parents,excluding the unknown fathers, to know their boundaries. Surely he is as knowledgeable as a minority ten year old.


How did Jackie Robinson violate the boundaries without every league who boundaries were abused not objecting?
Either the entire Region cheated or no one did.


The other leagues did say something as their best players were being poached by JRW LL, some were complaining about it from the get go. LL requested info and a boundary map from JRW LL and they produced a bogus map that LL thought was real, and LL went on their way. The other leagues kept complaining to LL and then they looked at the legit maps and saw the boundary infractions.

ESPN did a special on this about 6 months ago. You can probably Google most of what I just posted.


Toomany10pins
Toomany10pins
Feb 14, 2016
8:52am
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Correct. My bad for not reading the link.

....But those same parents knew some shady crap was going on, and did nothing about it because they were winning.

I went and watched most of my nephew's LL games that year before he made the Allstar team. They take the best players from the teams in that league to form the Allstar team. In my nephew's case there were 8 teams in his league at his age bracket. You know the kids that play in the league from playing against their teams a few times. So if new players all of the sudden show up on the Allstar team, the parents KNOW what's going on, as the coach and league or "stacking the team" with players from outside their boundaries.

It sucks that adults screw up such a great game and great tournament.

billryan
billryan
Feb 14, 2016
9:17am
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Aren't kids who live in the area eligible for the travel team even if they didn't play in the regular season? That's how it was when I coached Pony.
The best player in our town also was a soccer prodigy and his parents had him play soccer year round but let him play baseball when the tournaments started.
A lot of parents objected, as they all thought he was taking their son's spot on the roster.
I guess the rule was set up with injuries in mind.
Toomany10pins
Toomany10pins
Feb 14, 2016
10:51am
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Originally posted by: billryan
Aren't kids who live in the area eligible for the travel team even if they didn't play in the regular season? That's how it was when I coached Pony.
The best player in our town also was a soccer prodigy and his parents had him play soccer year round but let him play baseball when the tournaments started.
A lot of parents objected, as they all thought he was taking their son's spot on the roster.
I guess the rule was set up with injuries in mind.


I don't think so. LL has pretty strict rules, and I'm pretty sure Allstar teams have to be chosen from the regular little league teams. The are very few loopholes in their rules. The paperwork and proof of players age and residence is a lot of work (according to my brother and sis-I law) and that's just to play in the tournaments at the district level, and LL are supposed to check again at the state, regional, and LLWS levels.

My nephew was lucky in the sense that his regular LL team was horrible (I think they were 7th place). He went from one of the worst teams to a top 8 team in the country. His league had quite a few outstanding players in it on the other regular season teams. He was the ACE pitcher and the best player on his regular season team and was probably his Washington/Northwest team's 7th or 8th pitcher. They had some tall kids with great arms that hit their growth spurts before he did.
Boilerman
Boilerman
Feb 14, 2016
7:21pm
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I played LL ball and coached Little League Baseball for many years. Each local Little League has a specific geography and a maximum number of players. In my hometown, we're near the point of having to split into two leagues because we're about to exceed the maximum player limit. This geography is registered with Little League North America, and can only be changed with their approval. In other words, it's against the rules for Jackie Robinson Little League to create a "super team" from half of the city of Chicago. Jackie Robinson Little League took players outside of their specific geography. This was no mistake, but instead a systematic and planned effort to cheat.

Let's not confuse "travel teams" with Little League All Star Teams. Most travel teams are set up by some guy, or group of guys, and they run by their own policies and rules. Little League, on the other hand, has very specific rules.


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Originally posted by: billryan
Aren't kids who live in the area eligible for the travel team even if they didn't play in the regular season? That's how it was when I coached Pony.
The best player in our town also was a soccer prodigy and his parents had him play soccer year round but let him play baseball when the tournaments started.
A lot of parents objected, as they all thought he was taking their son's spot on the roster.
I guess the rule was set up with injuries in mind.


Toomany10pins
Toomany10pins
Feb 15, 2016
10:25am
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I played LL ball and coached Little League Baseball for many years. Each local Little League has a specific geography and a maximum number of players. In my hometown, we're near the point of having to split into two leagues because we're about to exceed the maximum player limit. This geography is registered with Little League North America, and can only be changed with their approval. In other words, it's against the rules for Jackie Robinson Little League to create a "super team" from half of the city of Chicago. Jackie Robinson Little League took players outside of their specific geography. This was no mistake, but instead a systematic and planned effort to cheat.

Let's not confuse "travel teams" with Little League All Star Teams. Most travel teams are set up by some guy, or group of guys, and they run by their own policies and rules. Little League, on the other hand, has very specific rules.


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Originally posted by: billryan
Aren't kids who live in the area eligible for the travel team even if they didn't play in the regular season? That's how it was when I coached Pony.
The best player in our town also was a soccer prodigy and his parents had him play soccer year round but let him play baseball when the tournaments started.
A lot of parents objected, as they all thought he was taking their son's spot on the roster.
I guess the rule was set up with injuries in mind.


That is true about LL vs Travel teams.
My nephew NOW plays in a select/travel team, which is much more expensive than LL was.
billryan
billryan
Feb 15, 2016
11:16am
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On Long Island, the travel team is composed of players from the All Star Game. We have a game with about 15-20 players on each team and from that, they cull a team of about 20 players to represent the league in the tournament's. Not to be confused with the elite independent teams.
Boilerman
Boilerman
Feb 16, 2016
12:49am
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The postseason travel team that you refer to (comprised of Little League players) are independent of the Little League organization. Those coaches can set up any rules that they like.


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Originally posted by: billryan
On Long Island, the travel team is composed of players from the All Star Game. We have a game with about 15-20 players on each team and from that, they cull a team of about 20 players to represent the league in the tournament's. Not to be confused with the elite independent teams.


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