JEB! On Oregon Mass Shootings - "Stuff Happens"

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Originally posted by: malibber2
No, it wasn’t the common man. The amendment was passed because back when the colonies were in control of England the English confiscated the rifles belonging to members of the individual state militias and banned the part time soldiers from keeping their weapons in their homes out fear they would be used in a rebellion against English rule. The militias were akin to what we think of today as each state’s National Guard. The term “well regulated” indicates they didn’t want the common man possessing fire arms especially without regulation.

If you believe that the framers wanted the common man (rather than the individual state militias) to be able to take the government back, then every common man today should be in as a matter of right be entitled to possess a stockpile of Nuclear weapons and predator drones because without having the equivalent arms of the government the common man can't take back government.


If you'll bother to read the comments and notes on the bill of rights by those such as Benjamin Franklin, George Mason and James Madison. You know, the guys who wrote it. You will learn that YES, They do mean the common man, all of them.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a WELL ARMED lamb contesting the vote. - George Mason.

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people - Richard Henry Lee

A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves … and include all men capable of bearing arms. - Samuel Adams

“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.” - George Washington


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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.” - George Washington

Dang. I fell short in my Militia duties. Maybe it's not too late. Can anyone form a Militia?

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.” - George Washington

Dang. I fell short in my Militia duties. Maybe it's not too late. Can anyone form a Militia?

You must not be old enough to have had a draft card. I am, and I did. By the time I reached draft age, who was actually drafted was determined by a lottery, randomly drawn by birthdate. My lottery number was 314.
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
You must not be old enough to have had a draft card. I am, and I did. By the time I reached draft age, who was actually drafted was determined by a lottery, randomly drawn by birthdate. My lottery number was 314.
DonDiego's draft number was 25. Hence his 3½ years defending the Chesapeake Bay from the advancing Vietcong; none got through.

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.” - George Washington

Dang. I fell short in my Militia duties. Maybe it's not too late. Can anyone form a Militia?

You must not be old enough to have had a draft card. I am, and I did. By the time I reached draft age, who was actually drafted was determined by a lottery, randomly drawn by birthdate. My lottery number was 314.

Oh I had a draft card alright. They never provided me with 'uniform Arms' though. They provided me with no uniform parts whatsoever. And my draft card came from The US Selective Service....not my State, City, Neighborhood or Personal Militia.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
You must not be old enough to have had a draft card. I am, and I did. By the time I reached draft age, who was actually drafted was determined by a lottery, randomly drawn by birthdate. My lottery number was 314.
DonDiego's draft number was 25. Hence his 3½ years defending the Chesapeake Bay from the advancing Vietcong; none got through.

Because of living most of my life on the upper end of the Susquehanna River let me say Thanks DonDiego.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ is correct, and everyone of this site agrees with me. Can I hang out a PJ's house with a megaphone, and blast my disagreements about your politics? All the Libs on this site have pointed out the this sort of free speech shouldn't be allowed.

What does PJ think?


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
So in conclusion:

Boilerman believes its ok to interpret limits to the Constitution ...except when he doesn't. The Supreme Court is given a similar role in our society. But who needs them when we have Boilerman.



When have I ever said there should be no restrictions on the Bill of Rights? I agree totally with restrictions on free speech....and on gun ownership. I would be ashamed of myself if I talked out of both corners of my mouth and had a double standard on those two issues. I make a conscious effort to not be a hypocrite on most issues.

Boiler, you dont know anyone who has double standards on those two issues, do you?
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.” - George Washington

Dang. I fell short in my Militia duties. Maybe it's not too late. Can anyone form a Militia?

You must not be old enough to have had a draft card. I am, and I did. By the time I reached draft age, who was actually drafted was determined by a lottery, randomly drawn by birthdate. My lottery number was 314.


My lottery number was 350.
So PJ agrees that there are limitations to free speech, and that's good. Why is it terrible then, to balance the rights of the nuts on Fremont with the rights of the business owners and employees on Fremont. How about the Nevada citizens that would enjoy the additional tax revenue generated if the nuts are removed or limited.

Everyone has rights.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ is correct, and everyone of this site agrees with me. Can I hang out a PJ's house with a megaphone, and blast my disagreements about your politics? All the Libs on this site have pointed out the this sort of free speech shouldn't be allowed.

What does PJ think?


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
So in conclusion:

Boilerman believes its ok to interpret limits to the Constitution ...except when he doesn't. The Supreme Court is given a similar role in our society. But who needs them when we have Boilerman.



When have I ever said there should be no restrictions on the Bill of Rights? I agree totally with restrictions on free speech....and on gun ownership. I would be ashamed of myself if I talked out of both corners of my mouth and had a double standard on those two issues. I make a conscious effort to not be a hypocrite on most issues.

Boiler, you dont know anyone who has double standards on those two issues, do you?


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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.” - George Washington

Dang. I fell short in my Militia duties. Maybe it's not too late. Can anyone form a Militia?


Anyone can form a militia. Good luck on getting provided with arms.

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