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alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Oct 3, 2015
9:12pm
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Originally posted by: malibber2
Years of posts not a couple of off the cuff remarks. Lots of denial in this thread. rdwoodpecker and alanleroyII seem to think that since we don't have the shooter's voting registration it doesn't count that he self-identified as a conservative republican. Personally, what stands out to me is the guy was nuttier than a squirrel turd, and should have been locked up and medicated before this happened. You republicans want guns everywhere. Fine, then concede we are going to have to spend a lot of money on mental health. Otherwise any professed sympathy for the victims is insincere and cowardly.
I actually think his political affiliation has nothing to do with his mental illness and your attempt to smear Republicans by associating them with this is stupid and reprehensible. But of course, I'm no Republican. Perhaps you can show us some stats about overall murders by political affiliation. Oh...and not by actual registered party...because many are not likely registered..Let's just go by what you think they think.

Not long ago, there was some Republican propaganda floating around that claimed most Mass Murderers were Democrats. Of course the Democrats called that stupid and reprehensible...and they were right.

Perhaps in your blatant attempt at politicizing this event by blaming it on Republicans you could just show how Democrat controlled states have lower mass murder rates because of their stricter gun control and better mental health systems.

Oregon. Colorado, South Carolina, California, Washington DC, Connecticut. Mostly Democrat, eh?. If I really wanted to be insincere and cowardly I'd just go ahead and falsely blame the Democrats because obviously their states are failing when it comes to mass murder...but that's not how I roll.

jatki
jatki
Oct 4, 2015
2:23am
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
MarcisLurkerPoster, do you know what would happen to the majority of the deer in our county if there was no hunt? I'll give you a hint.........................it would happen before next May. MarcisLurderPoster complains, yet he doesn't understand the problem. He certainly doesn't offer a solution.

And this way we'll eat Bambi for Thanksgiving.


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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
My son is deer hunting today.


Than he's probably the same type of $&%!* you are. Why does he feel the need to kill a perfectly innocent animal just for fun?



The deer population has exploded in our county. I can hardly grow any flowers, let alone my container veggies, they came up on the deck and ate everything, even the marigolds(which are supposed to repel the deer).
Boilerman
Boilerman
Oct 4, 2015
2:47am
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I feel your pain. Like you, I'm certain, I would never call for a deer hunt to keep my flowers intact, although MarcisLurkerPoster believes that's that case. Hell, I don't enjoy hunting, but I understand the value that hunters provide.

MarcisLurkerPoster demands utopia, even though it's not available. That leaves the balance of us to figure out the best available alternative.



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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
MarcisLurkerPoster, do you know what would happen to the majority of the deer in our county if there was no hunt? I'll give you a hint.........................it would happen before next May. MarcisLurderPoster complains, yet he doesn't understand the problem. He certainly doesn't offer a solution.

And this way we'll eat Bambi for Thanksgiving.


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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
My son is deer hunting today.


Than he's probably the same type of $&%!* you are. Why does he feel the need to kill a perfectly innocent animal just for fun?



The deer population has exploded in our county. I can hardly grow any flowers, let alone my container veggies, they came up on the deck and ate everything, even the marigolds(which are supposed to repel the deer).


jatki
jatki
Oct 4, 2015
2:50am
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Originally posted by: malibber2
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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
Funny that he is not registered as a Republican, but then again you can put ANYTHING into a dating site!


You are right and this mass murderer felt the need to identify himself as a conservative twice and a republican once in a character limited profile. You should have seen his old MySpace profile. All of his selfies are of him posing with a gun.


So flippn' what if he was a conservative? So flippin' what if he was a liberal? Does it make one bit of difference whatsoever whatever his affiliation may have been? Would you be on here trying to smear Dems if he was a registered Dem.? Of course you wouldn't and anyone on here stupid enough to imply that he was a lib/dem committerd this horrible crime you would be vehemently saying that it his pol. affiliation made no difference.

It only makes a difference if a mass murderer has a myspace page that claims he's a con. rep., right?

And I've still yet to read a single solitary thing about Nazi anything or pics of him with guns. The only place I've read that is here and posted by you Mal. If you bothered to take a screen shot of the profile that said nothing, why in the world did you not take one of the more "incriminating" page? You seem to be the only one who's seen it, none of the major news outlets have.


jatki
jatki
Oct 4, 2015
3:01am
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: malibber2
Years of posts not a couple of off the cuff remarks. Lots of denial in this thread. rdwoodpecker and alanleroyII seem to think that since we don't have the shooter's voting registration it doesn't count that he self-identified as a conservative republican. Personally, what stands out to me is the guy was nuttier than a squirrel turd, and should have been locked up and medicated before this happened. You republicans want guns everywhere. Fine, then concede we are going to have to spend a lot of money on mental health. Otherwise any professed sympathy for the victims is insincere and cowardly.


One armed guard in the school could have prevented all of the deaths and injuries he inflicted on innocent people. You'd lock him up before he committed any crimes and feed him a bunch of pills...until a shrink says he can go home if he keeps taking the pills.

Involuntary indefinite confinement with forced psychotropic medication is what you advocate with your "the guy was nuttier than a squirrel turd, and should have been locked up and medicated before this happened" statement. What in any of his social media activities would lead you to believe he was going to murder people? What red flag would be grounds to lock him up before he did anything illegal?

Evil can't be cured by shrinks with pills...nor can it be identified before someone actually commits crimes unless they issue actual threats.


My l;ittle sister is a cop and is stationed on a campus that houses the elem., middle, and high schools in a smallish town. Probably a couple thousand students in all and along with her police duty's she's also the D.A.R.E. officer. The students seem to adore her, the faculty and staff are damn sure happy she's there, oh yea, she is fully equipped, sidearm, taser, pepper spray, everything. I guarantee if someone started shooting, she'd be on 'em as quick as humanely possible and put 'em down before they could continue shooting more innocent people.

I know I'd feel a helluva lot safer with an trained and armed guard in my school than without one.

LurkerPoster
LurkerPoster
Oct 4, 2015
3:39am
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Originally posted by: jatki99I know I'd feel a helluva lot safer with an trained and armed guard in my school than without one.


And why is that? Because we need them! There's too many guns in this country and too many lunatics who get their hands on guns very easily. Does the UK need armed guards at schools? Do European countries need armed guards at school? No they don't but we remain to call ourselves the "land of the free". Don't you see the irony?
malibber2
malibber2
Oct 4, 2015
4:32am
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I agree sometimes you just have to call a nut a nut. I wasn't trying to make the point that his political affiliation caused his mental illness. What I noticed was that were some people in this thread that tried to deny his stated political affiliation and actually claim he was a democrat that looked forward to voting for Hillary Clinton. If you don't think his political affiliation had anything to do with his mental illness (like I do in this case), acknowledge it and move on. When someone writes paragraphs denying a political affiliation he expressed in writing, they are the one that fears his political affiliation had something to do with his mental illness.

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: malibber2
Years of posts not a couple of off the cuff remarks. Lots of denial in this thread. rdwoodpecker and alanleroyII seem to think that since we don't have the shooter's voting registration it doesn't count that he self-identified as a conservative republican. Personally, what stands out to me is the guy was nuttier than a squirrel turd, and should have been locked up and medicated before this happened. You republicans want guns everywhere. Fine, then concede we are going to have to spend a lot of money on mental health. Otherwise any professed sympathy for the victims is insincere and cowardly.
I actually think his political affiliation has nothing to do with his mental illness and your attempt to smear Republicans by associating them with this is stupid and reprehensible. But of course, I'm no Republican. Perhaps you can show us some stats about overall murders by political affiliation. Oh...and not by actual registered party...because many are not likely registered..Let's just go by what you think they think.

Not long ago, there was some Republican propaganda floating around that claimed most Mass Murderers were Democrats. Of course the Democrats called that stupid and reprehensible...and they were right.

Perhaps in your blatant attempt at politicizing this event by blaming it on Republicans you could just show how Democrat controlled states have lower mass murder rates because of their stricter gun control and better mental health systems.

Oregon. Colorado, South Carolina, California, Washington DC, Connecticut. Mostly Democrat, eh?. If I really wanted to be insincere and cowardly I'd just go ahead and falsely blame the Democrats because obviously their states are failing when it comes to mass murder...but that's not how I roll.


jatki
jatki
Oct 4, 2015
8:51am
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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
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Originally posted by: jatki99I know I'd feel a helluva lot safer with an trained and armed guard in my school than without one.


And why is that? Because we need them! There's too many guns in this country and too many lunatics who get their hands on guns very easily. Does the UK need armed guards at schools? Do European countries need armed guards at school? No they don't but we remain to call ourselves the "land of the free". Don't you see the irony?


Without going into many different reasons marcis, the biggest one is the country couldn't put Pandora back in her box if they wanted to.

chefantwon
chefantwon
Oct 4, 2015
10:17am
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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
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Originally posted by: jatki99I know I'd feel a helluva lot safer with an trained and armed guard in my school than without one.


And why is that? Because we need them! There's too many guns in this country and too many lunatics who get their hands on guns very easily. Does the UK need armed guards at schools? Do European countries need armed guards at school? No they don't but we remain to call ourselves the "land of the free". Don't you see the irony?


Guess Lurker has never experienced a race riot at his school. We have one back in the '70's and had armed officers for about 3 years as there were threats of armed violence against students.

Lurker also forgets how many bombings Europe has had over the years compared to the US.

FYI, while the campus allows guns, several buildings are a gun free zone. Guess that sign didn't protect the students. Maybe they should get a bigger sign or rip it down.
jatki
jatki
Oct 4, 2015
12:02pm
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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
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Originally posted by: jatki99I know I'd feel a helluva lot safer with an trained and armed guard in my school than without one.


And why is that? Because we need them! There's too many guns in this country and too many lunatics who get their hands on guns very easily. Does the UK need armed guards at schools? Do European countries need armed guards at school? No they don't but we remain to call ourselves the "land of the free". Don't you see the irony?


Guess Lurker has never experienced a race riot at his school. We have one back in the '70's and had armed officers for about 3 years as there were threats of armed violence against students.

Lurker also forgets how many bombings Europe has had over the years compared to the US.

FYI, while the campus allows guns, several buildings are a gun free zone. Guess that sign didn't protect the students. Maybe they should get a bigger sign or rip it down.


If only the latest tragedy had been declared a gun free zone..wait a minute, it was/is. Along with ,I believe, Sandy Hook and Va Tech. to name a few.

What exactly new laws should be instituted to prevent such horrible things from happening? Is anyone gonna throw out something feasible that might stand the slightest chance of reducing or eliminating these events? I hear a lot of bitching about the NRA et.al. and no solutions, well Mal actually put an idea out there.

I'm tossing aside Mals solution of throwing everybody in the squirrel nutjob house tho, because that would probably have way, way more innocent people tossed in based on unfounded accusations. Also simply saying there's too many guns in the country is no solution either, that's a complaint.

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