JEB! On Oregon Mass Shootings - "Stuff Happens"

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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
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One armed guard in the school could have prevented all of the deaths and injuries he inflicted on innocent people.


Really? Think for a little more than one second about what you're saying right here. One armed guard in every school. Do you think it's an acceptable consequence for having close to no gun control laws? Every SCHOOL needs an armed guard at the door? How about every daycare center? Or every cinema? Or every sports club? Why do you think it's ok to accept the fact that these places will have to deal with gun violence at some point? Why not put the military on every corner of the street, or 5 cops? All because of some blind love for guns? How come a lot of democratic countries with way more history than the USA don't need a second amendment to protect the people against their own government? How come all these countries don't have a fraction of the gun violence we have in this country?

Yes, every school should provide sufficient protection from violence against their students. That should be expected and mandatory. Even if your statement that there are "close to no gun control laws" was true (and that statement is pure idiocy), children and their parents should know that their safety is a priority. Gun free zones do not provide any level of safety from people intent on killing innocent people. In fact, they provide an environment that encourages people intent on killing innocent people to choose those environments.

As to other environments, gun free zones don't work at them either. Six different theaters in the Denver Colorado area were showing the Batman movie premier the night Holmes murdered all of those people. One of the six had a gun free zone policy where people who had conceal carry permits could not bring their legal firearms into the theater. Holmes chose that theater. He knew no one would be able to protect themselves.

We live in a violent world. That violence won't go away with more laws that take away the ability of people to defend and protect themselves, their families and other innocent people. If you want to see more people murdered with guns (and your ignorant rants indicate that you do), take guns away from people who aren't shooting innocent people. The criminals will still have guns. Their victims will be like fish in a barrel, even more so than they already are now.

Since it is now obvious that the shooter was anti-Christian, it is unlikely that he really was a conservative Republican as conservative Republicans are tolerant of religions.
We need double dog dare you, super duper, we really mean it, gun free zones.




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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
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Originally posted by: jatki99I know I'd feel a helluva lot safer with an trained and armed guard in my school than without one.


And why is that? Because we need them! There's too many guns in this country and too many lunatics who get their hands on guns very easily. Does the UK need armed guards at schools? Do European countries need armed guards at school? No they don't but we remain to call ourselves the "land of the free". Don't you see the irony?


Guess Lurker has never experienced a race riot at his school. We have one back in the '70's and had armed officers for about 3 years as there were threats of armed violence against students.

Lurker also forgets how many bombings Europe has had over the years compared to the US.

FYI, while the campus allows guns, several buildings are a gun free zone. Guess that sign didn't protect the students. Maybe they should get a bigger sign or rip it down.


If only the latest tragedy had been declared a gun free zone..wait a minute, it was/is. Along with ,I believe, Sandy Hook and Va Tech. to name a few.

What exactly new laws should be instituted to prevent such horrible things from happening? Is anyone gonna throw out something feasible that might stand the slightest chance of reducing or eliminating these events? I hear a lot of bitching about the NRA et.al. and no solutions, well Mal actually put an idea out there.

I'm tossing aside Mals solution of throwing everybody in the squirrel nutjob house tho, because that would probably have way, way more innocent people tossed in based on unfounded accusations. Also simply saying there's too many guns in the country is no solution either, that's a complaint.


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Originally posted by: hoops2
Since it is now obvious that the shooter was anti-Christian, it is unlikely that he really was a conservative Republican as conservative Republicans are tolerant of religions.






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Originally posted by: malibber2
I agree sometimes you just have to call a nut a nut. I wasn't trying to make the point that his political affiliation caused his mental illness. What I noticed was that were some people in this thread that tried to deny his stated political affiliation and actually claim he was a democrat that looked forward to voting for Hillary Clinton. If you don't think his political affiliation had anything to do with his mental illness (like I do in this case), acknowledge it and move on. When someone writes paragraphs denying a political affiliation he expressed in writing, they are the one that fears his political affiliation had something to do with his mental illness.


It's like when closet racists go out of their way to point out that a particular criminal is black. And then go on to say, they aren't prejudiced or stereotyping. It's pretty clear their intent is to associate criminality with race. It's just underhanded guilt by association. That's all I objected to.

Is it racist to recognize that Ben Carson is a great man, while also recognizing that a disproportionate percentage of blacks are not?


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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: malibber2
I agree sometimes you just have to call a nut a nut. I wasn't trying to make the point that his political affiliation caused his mental illness. What I noticed was that were some people in this thread that tried to deny his stated political affiliation and actually claim he was a democrat that looked forward to voting for Hillary Clinton. If you don't think his political affiliation had anything to do with his mental illness (like I do in this case), acknowledge it and move on. When someone writes paragraphs denying a political affiliation he expressed in writing, they are the one that fears his political affiliation had something to do with his mental illness.


It's like when closet racists go out of their way to point out that a particular criminal is black. And then go on to say, they aren't prejudiced or stereotyping. It's pretty clear their intent is to associate criminality with race. It's just underhanded guilt by association. That's all I objected to.


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Originally posted by: hoops2
Since it is now obvious that the shooter was anti-Christian, it is unlikely that he really was a conservative Republican as conservative Republicans are tolerant of religions.


Your honor, alanleroyII, I move to admit this and mark it as exhibit A.
So if I post something like this, does it make me and my friends squirrel turd crazy? (Love that term Mal, hilarious). No it doesn't, absolutely not automatically anyway. I used to go up in the mountains with many of my best friends and we'd shoot guns all day long, all weekend long actually and have a blast, no pun intended. We threw steaks on the grill, yea some dead animal and we ate it along some taters and drink like fish.
Call us rednecks, country boys or whatever anyone wishes, but man, those were fun weekends. Great times, great friends. It's too bad some will never experience anything like that. Guess what?, Not a single one of us ever once picked up a gun in anger. Not one.

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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
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Originally posted by: jatki99I know I'd feel a helluva lot safer with an trained and armed guard in my school than without one.


And why is that? Because we need them! There's too many guns in this country and too many lunatics who get their hands on guns very easily. Does the UK need armed guards at schools? Do European countries need armed guards at school? No they don't but we remain to call ourselves the "land of the free". Don't you see the irony?


Uh...you wanna revise this statement with some real facts? As a former part time resident of Paris and Geneva I can tell you that almost every public school in Europe and all of the private schools have fully armed police or private security presence.
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