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clcjim
clcjim
Apr 18, 2015
9:35am
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I don't know if this is relevant, but there IS a certain resemblance between PJ and tinkerbell.





BobOrme
BobOrme
Apr 18, 2015
2:32pm
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Who requires cash only payments for rent and/or utilities?
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Originally posted by: malibber2
The most common use of TANF is paying rent and utility bills neither of which can be paid at a swipe machine. So if someone wants to use their TANF funds to pay their rent or utilities they are going to go to the ATM at least 18 times to make to withdraws over the course of the month. I suspect there would also be a cost in getting transportation to the ATM since you would need to go more than every other day.

You guys keep using examples that would actually fall under food stamps not TANF. The ironic thing is by keeping them from using TANF to pay rent and utilities it makes it more likely TANF will be used on things you guys deem inappropriate because your forcing them to use the cards in a retail environment.


It is a great deal for the banks and Republicans have once again found a way to line the pockets of the wealthy at the expense of the poor.



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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: malibber2
Here is the real fraud. This same bill restricts withdraws from the card to $25 a day. ...... but they force each recipient to give about $20 a month away in fees to the bank.

The bill does no such thing. It LIMITS CASH withdrawals to $25 a day. If you were using it at a grocery store to buy your damn gummy bears, you could spend the whole amount with no bank fees.


malibber2
malibber2
Apr 18, 2015
2:46pm
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These types of places generally prefer checks or money orders. TANF benefits are paid out on a debit card. Most landlords and utility companies don't take Visa so the beneficiary would have to go to the ATM to get cash to put into a checking account or buy a money order. The new law restricts ATM withdraws to $25 a day. If the rent is $450 a month the person would have to go the ATM 18 days in a row and pay $1 in fees to the bank that issued the card 17 of those days to pay their rent.

That is the real sleight of hand going on. By design the bill makes it hard for TANF funds to be spent on rent or utilities. It is designed to generate fees for the banks. The banks get fees on the retail swipes, but since too many TANF recipients were using their TANF to pay rent and utilities, the banks weren't happy with the fees the accounts were generating. So their butt buddies in government gave them a reach around and forced the TANF recipients to use their benefits in a retail environment and to buy things like gummy bears.



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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Who requires cash only payments for rent and/or utilities?
Quote
Originally posted by: malibber2
The most common use of TANF is paying rent and utility bills neither of which can be paid at a swipe machine. So if someone wants to use their TANF funds to pay their rent or utilities they are going to go to the ATM at least 18 times to make to withdraws over the course of the month. I suspect there would also be a cost in getting transportation to the ATM since you would need to go more than every other day.

You guys keep using examples that would actually fall under food stamps not TANF. The ironic thing is by keeping them from using TANF to pay rent and utilities it makes it more likely TANF will be used on things you guys deem inappropriate because your forcing them to use the cards in a retail environment.


It is a great deal for the banks and Republicans have once again found a way to line the pockets of the wealthy at the expense of the poor.



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Originally posted by: alanleroy
Quote
Originally posted by: malibber2
Here is the real fraud. This same bill restricts withdraws from the card to $25 a day. ...... but they force each recipient to give about $20 a month away in fees to the bank.

The bill does no such thing. It LIMITS CASH withdrawals to $25 a day. If you were using it at a grocery store to buy your damn gummy bears, you could spend the whole amount with no bank fees.


jatki
jatki
Apr 18, 2015
3:13pm
Block User
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Originally posted by: malibber2
These types of places generally prefer checks or money orders. TANF benefits are paid out on a debit card. Most landlords and utility companies don't take Visa so the beneficiary would have to go to the ATM to get cash to put into a checking account or buy a money order. The new law restricts ATM withdraws to $25 a day. If the rent is $450 a month the person would have to go the ATM 18 days in a row and pay $1 in fees to the bank that issued the card 17 of those days to pay their rent.

That is the real sleight of hand going on. By design the bill makes it hard for TANF funds to be spent on rent or utilities. It is designed to generate fees for the banks. The banks get fees on the retail swipe fees, but since too many TANF recipients were using their TANF to pay rent and utilities, the banks weren't happy with the fees the accounts were generating. So their butt buddies in government gave them a reach around and forced the TANF recipients to use their benefits in a retail environment and to buy things like gummy bears.



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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Who requires cash only payments for rent and/or utilities?
Quote
Originally posted by: malibber2
The most common use of TANF is paying rent and utility bills neither of which can be paid at a swipe machine. So if someone wants to use their TANF funds to pay their rent or utilities they are going to go to the ATM at least 18 times to make to withdraws over the course of the month. I suspect there would also be a cost in getting transportation to the ATM since you would need to go more than every other day.

You guys keep using examples that would actually fall under food stamps not TANF. The ironic thing is by keeping them from using TANF to pay rent and utilities it makes it more likely TANF will be used on things you guys deem inappropriate because your forcing them to use the cards in a retail environment.


It is a great deal for the banks and Republicans have once again found a way to line the pockets of the wealthy at the expense of the poor.



Quote
Originally posted by: alanleroy
Quote
Originally posted by: malibber2
Here is the real fraud. This same bill restricts withdraws from the card to $25 a day. ...... but they force each recipient to give about $20 a month away in fees to the bank.

The bill does no such thing. It LIMITS CASH withdrawals to $25 a day. If you were using it at a grocery store to buy your damn gummy bears, you could spend the whole amount with no bank fees.


I'm sorry Mal, I don't buy that story one bit, there's a reason for the limit but I sure as hell can't swallow that it was cooked up as some dirty deal between the banks and some politicians. I would suspect if that were remotely true, whatever politicians were associated with it woukd be severely damaging to their career.

I know it's not the exact same but it reminds me somewhat of all those poor voters who can mysteriously live for a lifetime and are unable to get some form of photo identification, or a ride to the get one. That one baffles me as well.

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