Kasich eats pizza with a fork.

It isn't an apples to oranges comparison at all. Everybody has a house(or apple). My neighbor and I have the exact same house(or apple), pay the exact same taxes, but because his income is twice mine, he pays a lower percentage of his income in taxes. We both buy the same car( or orange). We pay the same price. We pay the same sales tax but he pays a smaller percentage of his income for the tax than I did. The wealthy spend less of their income on local taxes than the less wealthy. Its a fact. Your argument that the rich have more discretionary income avoids the fact that the reason they have more is because ,percentage wise, they pay less in taxes.
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Originally posted by: billryan
It isn't an apples to oranges comparison at all. Everybody has a house(or apple). My neighbor and I have the exact same house(or apple), pay the exact same taxes, but because his income is twice mine, he pays a lower percentage of his income in taxes. We both buy the same car( or orange). We pay the same price. We pay the same sales tax but he pays a smaller percentage of his income for the tax than I did. The wealthy spend less of their income on local taxes than the less wealthy. Its a fact. Your argument that the rich have more discretionary income avoids the fact that the reason they have more is because ,percentage wise, they pay less in taxes.


I'm sorry you really don't get it. You really don't. To even the score on what you are talking about, you would have to repeal real estate taxes and sales taxes. For poorer people, their house is their most major investment, while for the rich, their house generally isn't their most major investment. The rich pay far more in state income tax, where much of the poor pay nothing, and sometimes get money back from credits. You are NEVER going to change the percentage of what one makes unless you repeal real estate taxes and sales taxes, NEVER. Is that what you are advocating?
DonDiego is confused, . . . again, . . .

All he sees on this thread is bitchin', bitchin', and after that there's some more bitchin', . . .
And then, . . . someone starts bitchin' back, . . .

Poor old DonDiego recognizes that tax codes across the USofA are numerous and different, . . . and they've evolved over the years to:
i. collect taxes for Government functions
ii. encourage/discourage citizens from certain financial activities and other activities, . . . like to encourage home-buying
iii. do other stuff

So corrections to the tax code(s) may not be easy.

But could someone bitchin' please:
i. state the problem (or a problem if'n there's more'n one) [DonDiego'd be a mite disingenuous if'n he pretended it was just one simple problem.]
ii. propose a solution (to the problem or problems) which can then be discussed reasonably.

Or, if'n the posters prefer, . . . jes' keep on bitchin'.

***EDITED TO ADD***
For the record poor old DonDiego is unlikely to base his choice for an elected official on what or the manner in which he ingests his lunch.

For the record DonDiego has eaten, eats, and is likely to eat a hot dog with the following ingredients, . . . individually or in some combination: mustard, ketchup, cheese, onions, hot peppers, sauerkraut, relish, chili, Miracle Whip, lettuce, tomato, and pr'bly some others he cain't remember.
Screw Dirty Harry !
Oh, . . . and when poor old DonDiego was a youngster he would occasionally eat mustard-bread, jes' like butter-bread but with mustard instead.
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Originally posted by: billryan
Your argument that the rich have more discretionary income avoids the fact that the reason they have more is because ,percentage wise, they pay less in taxes.

I always thought some people have more discretionary income than others because they contribute more or higher value labor or risk more capital to add value to the economy....AND/OR they have somehow reduced their non-discretionary expenses.

It appears they may only have more discretionary income than others because our Federal, State and Local governments have decided to allow that...for now.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
...The 8.1% is a combination of sale taxes paid, property taxes, and income taxes....
Obviously. Is there anyone here stupid enough not to know that sales tax is a state tax? I hope not.

But in most states the top 1% pay a state and local tax rate that is much lower the middle class. Residents of red state counties in states like New York and Washington pay a lot less in taxes than they receive in state benefits.

And who pays for it? The poor and middle class in urban areas and in blue states.

Turns out the top 1% and Republicans like their free shit. And they get it too, don't they?



Your response to this was "bullshit" and you spent the next two pages saying it was bulshit. Now you admit its true but it doesn't matter anyway. You and boils should go have a beerr. You were made for each other.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
DonDiego is confused, . . . again, . . .

All he sees on this thread is bitchin', bitchin', and after that there's some more bitchin', . . .
And then, . . . someone starts bitchin' back, . . .

Poor old DonDiego recognizes that tax codes across the USofA are numerous and different, . . . and they've evolved over the years to:
i. collect taxes for Government functions
ii. encourage/discourage citizens from certain financial activities and other activities, . . . like to encourage home-buying
iii. do other stuff

So corrections to the tax code(s) may not be easy.

But could someone bitchin' please:
i. state the problem (or a problem if'n there's more'n one) [DonDiego'd be a mite disingenuous if'n he pretended it was just one simple problem.]
ii. propose a solution (to the problem or problems) which can then be discussed reasonably.

Or, if'n the posters prefer, . . . jes' keep on bitchin'.

***EDITED TO ADD***
For the record poor old DonDiego is unlikely to base his choice for an elected official on what or the manner in which he ingests his lunch.

For the record DonDiego has eaten, eats, and is likely to eat a hot dog with the following ingredients, . . . individually or in some combination: mustard, ketchup, cheese, onions, hot peppers, sauerkraut, relish, chili, Miracle Whip, lettuce, tomato, and pr'bly some others he cain't remember.
Screw Dirty Harry !
Oh, . . . and when poor old DonDiego was a youngster he would occasionally eat mustard-bread, jes' like butter-bread but with mustard instead.
Don Diego is bitchin' about bitchin'. Bitchin'!

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Originally posted by: billryan
It isn't an apples to oranges comparison at all. Everybody has a house(or apple). My neighbor and I have the exact same house(or apple), pay the exact same taxes, but because his income is twice mine, he pays a lower percentage of his income in taxes. We both buy the same car( or orange). We pay the same price. We pay the same sales tax but he pays a smaller percentage of his income for the tax than I did. The wealthy spend less of their income on local taxes than the less wealthy. Its a fact. Your argument that the rich have more discretionary income avoids the fact that the reason they have more is because ,percentage wise, they pay less in taxes.


The wealthy also pay a less in social security taxes because the tax is capped. Then you get into the folks that earned their money the old fashioned way by inheriting it. Since their income is passive, they don't pay payroll taxes at all.

That is the real con. Working poor and lower middles class folks pay a higher percentage of their income into taxes than the the typical Wal-Mart heir does.
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Originally posted by: malibber2
Working poor and lower middles class folks pay a higher percentage of their income into taxes than the the typical Wal-Mart heir does.

Data please.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: malibber2
Working poor and lower middles class folks pay a higher percentage of their income into taxes than the the typical Wal-Mart heir does.

Data please.




If you want a serious answer, send me copies of the Walton's tax returns and I will comply.
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Originally posted by: malibber2



If you want a serious answer, send me copies of the Walton's tax returns and I will comply.

So, as poor old DonDiego understands this response: malibber has no data upon which to base his assertion that : "Working poor and lower middles class folks pay a higher percentage of their income into taxes than the typical Wal-Mart heir does."

Up heh' in Appalachia that's called "makin' shit up."
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