Kasich eats pizza with a fork.

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So the top bracket is paying more than $20k in taxes & the bottom guy is about $2k. The top guy is is spending significantly more $ & contributing to the jobs of the people on the lower end.

Looks like a win for all!



Forky is like the kid who sticks his fingers in his ears and goes "na na na na" repeatedly. He knows his argument is absurd, but like a child he must carry on his stubbornness.

The ironic thing is he lives in a state, where he pays no income taxes and those mean corporations pay most of the taxes. So his point is "Do as I say and not as I do."
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And adjusting Arizona income, property, and sales tax rates to make things fairer and flatter would be impossible, right?


Fairer?
If I own a huge house in a great neighborhood, I pay a lot more property tax than someone who has a crappy house in a bad neighborhood. Property tax is based on the value of property....duh. Is that fair? Well if you're going to tax property it is. Of course you could always choose to Rent an apartment in which case you would not pay property tax...your landlord will do that. Or you could choose to move to a state where property taxes are very low if you think you aren't being treated 'fairly'.

Most states exempt food and some other necessities from sales tax. So if I buy a lot more stuff or expensive stuff, I pay a lot more in sales tax....duh. Is that fair? Well if you're going to tax sales it is. Of course you could always choose to save your money and buy less expensive stuff.....Or you could choose to move to a state where they do not have a sales tax if you think you aren't being treated 'fairly'.

Of course there are hundreds of other taxes. Some are based just on the product consumed or purchased like alcohol or cigarette taxes or gas taxes. Others are based on using some service like various FCC Surcharges or Airport fees. Are these all unfair because rich people use a small % of their income to pay them? Is it fair that a family of 8 gets free public education for 6 kids and a childless couple just pays their bills? Is it fair to tax the same income more than once? And if you add up all taxes what is a fair percent to take from taxpayers? Is 50% fair? 80%? 90%? And why does that depend on how much they make?

And so I'd like to propose a new tax scheme that I think is the ultimate in fairness. In the spirit of Henry George and John Locke it's a single tax, but not on land or income. Yes my solution to all of our tax problems is to eliminate all taxes and replace them all with one single tax. A tax on water.




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Originally posted by: forkushV
And adjusting Arizona income, property, and sales tax rates to make things fairer and flatter would be impossible, right?


Fairer?...
And flatter.

I get that you like having the poor pay double or triple the tax rate that the wealthy pay in total state and local taxes. I don't.

But that's what is happening in almost every state. As long as you don't deny the reality of our system, we can agree to disagree.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
And adjusting Arizona income, property, and sales tax rates to make things fairer and flatter would be impossible, right?


Fairer?...
And flatter.

I get that you like having the poor pay double or triple the tax rate that the wealthy pay in total state and local taxes. I don't.

Actually they pay identical sales tax rates for the goods they purchase. They pay identical property tax rates based on the value of their property. You just think it's unfair that some people earn more money than others. I get that.

"I get that you like having the poor pay double or triple the tax rate that the wealthy pay in total state and local taxes. I don't. "

The poor have the option to get a better job.
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: forkushV
And adjusting Arizona income, property, and sales tax rates to make things fairer and flatter would be impossible, right?


Fairer?...
And flatter.

I get that you like having the poor pay double or triple the tax rate that the wealthy pay in total state and local taxes. I don't.

Actually they pay identical sales tax rates for the goods they purchase. They pay identical property tax rates based on the value of their property. You just think it's unfair that some people earn more money than others. I get that.
No. If the sales tax rate was slashed, the rich, middle class, and poor would pay the IDENTICAL rate. If the income tax were adjusted to compensate for that,everyone would be paying the IDENTICAL rate.

But then the poor wouldn't be paying double or triple the total state and local tax rate compared with the wealthy. Then the middle class wouldn't be paying a much higher total state and local tax compared with the wealthy. I like that idea. I get that you like it the way it is.


Forkie refusing to look at the reason why the percentages are the way they are.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
And adjusting Arizona income, property, and sales tax rates to make things fairer and flatter would be impossible, right?


Fairer?...
And flatter.

I get that you like having the poor pay double or triple the tax rate that the wealthy pay in total state and local taxes. I don't.

Actually they pay identical sales tax rates for the goods they purchase. They pay identical property tax rates based on the value of their property. You just think it's unfair that some people earn more money than others. I get that.
No. If the sales tax rate was slashed, the rich, middle class, and poor would pay the IDENTICAL rate. If the income tax were adjusted to compensate for that,everyone would be paying the IDENTICAL rate.

But then the poor wouldn't be paying double or triple the total state and local tax rate compared with the wealthy. Then the middle class wouldn't be paying a much higher total state and local tax compared with the wealthy. I like that idea. I get that you like it the way it is.
In Fresno our sales tax rate is 8.25% whether you are rich or poor. Forkush doesn't think that is fair because some people earn more than others....that's the real issue for him....some people just earn more money. We all pay the same rate...some people just earn more. Is that fair? Well some people work harder than others. Some are just luckier. Some are smarter. Perhaps forkush thinks it's unfair that McDonalds charges the same price for a Big Mac whether you are rich or poor....Oh the humanity!

Forkush's solution to this 'problem' is to eliminate all taxes not based on income...and then jack up the rates that 'rich' people pay. How much is enough for him? 80% 90%? He'll never say. Of course the top 20% already pay 84% of all federal income taxes....and the top 1% pay 50% of all federal income taxes. Methinks comrade Forkush's real objective is to just redistribute their wealth to poor people.....After all 'They didn't earn that'.
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]In Fresno, . . .
The rising minimum wage may harm Fresno's low-wage economy significantly.

Ref: The Far Flung Casualties of California's $15 Minimum Wage

DonDiego suggests alanleroyII relocate his domicile to a more promising locale.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
And adjusting Arizona income, property, and sales tax rates to make things fairer and flatter would be impossible, right?


Fairer?...
And flatter.

I get that you like having the poor pay double or triple the tax rate that the wealthy pay in total state and local taxes. I don't.

Actually they pay identical sales tax rates for the goods they purchase. They pay identical property tax rates based on the value of their property. You just think it's unfair that some people earn more money than others. I get that.
No. If the sales tax rate was slashed, the rich, middle class, and poor would pay the IDENTICAL rate. If the income tax were adjusted to compensate for that,everyone would be paying the IDENTICAL rate.

But then the poor wouldn't be paying double or triple the total state and local tax rate compared with the wealthy. Then the middle class wouldn't be paying a much higher total state and local tax compared with the wealthy. I like that idea. I get that you like it the way it is.
In Fresno our sales tax rate is 8.25% whether you are rich or poor. Forkush doesn't think that is fair because some people earn more than others...
No, I think it's the individual tax rates should be adjusted in a revenue neutral fashion.

  • If sales tax the zero and the income tax were sky high, that would be unfair to the wealthy, agreed?
  • If the sales tax were 40% and income tax was slashed, that would be unfair to the poor and middle class, agreed?

    So there's a happy medium in their somewhere . I'm just suggesting that when the middle class pays double the local and state tax rate that the wealthy do, we've chosen the wrong numbers.
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