Las Vegas Club/Loosening Slots?

Tel me what your take is on this story . Is it worth my time to make sure I make that special trip .

https://weeklyseven.com/news/2011/march/17/loosening


Here is part of the article

Loosening Up

The Las Vegas Club says you’ll win more on its slots. Not everyone is pleased with the message.

By David G. Schwartz | March 17th, 2011
Ask the average slot player where Las Vegas went wrong, and they’ll tell you it’s not the poor economy or increased competition from the casinos that are sprouting like mushrooms around the country.

No, they’ll insist the big problem is that slots are too tight. Sure, slot machines are negative expectation games, and if the casinos paid out more than they took in, they’d go out of business. But in the old days, they insist, it took you longer to lose.

The folks running downtown’s Las Vegas Club hotel-casino think the slot players are right. PlayLV, which operates the club for the multinational investment group Tamares, has embarked on an ambitious course of slot-loosening—and a pull-no-punches campaign to let downtown gamblers know about it.

“Fremont Street was founded on value,” PlayLV consultant Steve Rosen says. “But most places have gotten away from that, particularly when it comes to their slot machines. They’ve just gotten tighter and tighter. Most places today are interested in squeezing the player’s gambling budget out of them as quickly as they can. I think that’s the wrong model.”

The slots weren’t loosened with one fell swoop. Instead, starting in January, it started lowering the hold percentage on selected banks of machines, 40 percent at a time. A machine that once held 6 percent would now hold, on average, 3.6 percent.


"lowering the hold percentage on selected banks of machines"

The Station Casinos have done the same thing over the last couple of months. The problem is that the players have no way of knowing which machines have been loosened and which haven't. (Except in the case of video poker games, where you can read the paytables.)
They may actually want to take an approach similar to what one the casinos did in the area I live in. Soaring Eagle casino decided to promote and sticker each slot machine they have that returns the highest payback that the manufacturer allows. I think what Vegas Club is doing is a good concept, but as Sue pointed out I don't see how the player would know what machines are now looser and what the payback is.
At least according to the article, Las Vegas Club is listing which banks of machines have been "loosened" so players can have some kind of idea in which direction to go so that they can at least get more playing time for their $.

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Originally posted by: suecasey
"lowering the hold percentage on selected banks of machines"

The Station Casinos have done the same thing over the last couple of months. The problem is that the players have no way of knowing which machines have been loosened and which haven't. (Except in the case of video poker games, where you can read the paytables.)


That's not true. They can put say a 97% chip in a macihne and advertise the fact right on the machine. Circus Circus does it with their dollar carousel machines-which are set at 97.4%. Bally's in AC for years had a bank of quarter "97% slots" and briefly $5 machines named "99 ers" for their 99% return. I was just at Harvey's in Tahoe which had machines labeled 97% or 98% and either Siver Legacy or Eldorado in Reno had the same thing.
I don't know if casinos still do what was mentioned on one of the very old Travel Channel shows, but that show indicated they sometimes put signs up that say "up to 99% payout" (meaning it could be less on one or more of the machines), or they'll put the "99% payout" sign on top of one machine (and the others in the same bank had a lower payout). Maybe they don't do tricky things like that anymore?
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Originally posted by: suecasey
I don't know if casinos still do what was mentioned on one of the very old Travel Channel shows, but that show indicated they sometimes put signs up that say "up to 99% payout" (meaning it could be less on one or more of the machines), or they'll put the "99% payout" sign on top of one machine (and the others in the same bank had a lower payout). Maybe they don't do tricky things like that anymore?


I still see them on various Video Poker Machines. They will say up to 100% return then in small print say something like "with perfect play" or something to that effect. I do remember in the past seeing those signs on slot machines that you're talking about.
I know I'm in the minority here but I love Vegas Club and the Plaza. Favorite places downtown. This plus remodeling the Plaza makes me think that these guys actually "get" it in this economy
I for one, am all over ANY lowering of the hold...
I'll still lose the same in the long run but at least I get to play a little longer.
"BRAVO" ! Vegas Club for taking the lead.
I'll be making a visit on my next trip in April to see how 'legit' this claim is.
Hey 777rojen.......I too, love The Las Vegas Club.....The wife and I always stay at Golden Nugget, but rarely gamble there....The majority of our gambling is at Las Vegas Club and El Cortez...El Cortez was actually a blast when we were there in march 2009. The place was cleaned up a lot. I am glad to hear Las Vegas Club is making an effort. I will be in Las vegas next month, and I promise to spend a lot of time there.
MIKE
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