LOL My Obamacare Premium is going up 50% in 2016


DonDiego has come across an excellent brief summary of where Obamacare stands now, . . . and its likely future: The Exchange System is Collapsing

It is an excellent read.

F'rinstance, For the fiscal year 2015, the Government "has $363 million to divvy up [in the Risk Corridor Program] while insurers have requested $2.87 billion."
i.e. Because the 2014 Spending Bill required the Program to be "revenue neutral", i.e. no new taxes, there is no more money for the insurers.


Oh, . . . but that's not all.
There is an outstanding summary of why the Obamacare Co-Ops are failing at reason.com

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A government program being poorly run is nothing new, of course. But the co-ops established under the health care law were subject to a series of regulations that make you wonder how they were ever supposed to succeed in the first place.
"It should be no surprise that so many of them are going belly-up," said John Davidson, director of health policy for the Texas Public Policy Foundation, on the latest edition of the Watchdog Podcast. "The rules that they put on these co-ops almost set them up to fail."
For starters, the co-ops were barred from hiring anyone who had served at an executive level at any health insurance company in the country.
etc., etc., etc. . . . . . . .
[boldface added - DD]
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What pure incompetence ! What a disaster !
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: jatki99
In response to DD's post, I'm gonna go with A) He knew and lied purposely. Remember even Time magazine thought this and awarded him "Lie of the Year".

Also anyone else remember this little bit of truth that surfaced?

Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Passed

"Meet Jonathan Gruber, a professor at MIT and an architect of Obamacare. During a panel event last year about how the legislation passed, turning over a sixth of the U.S. economy to the government, Gruber admitted that the Obama administration went through "tortuous" measures to keep the facts about the legislation from the American people, including covering up the redistribution of wealth from the healthy to the sick in the legislation that Obamacare is in fact a tax. The video of his comments just recently surfaced ahead of the second open enrollment period for Obamacare at Healthcare.gov.

"You can't do it political, you just literally cannot do it. Transparent financing and also transparent spending. I mean, this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies. Okay? So it’s written to do that," Gruber said. "In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in, you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical to get for the thing to pass. Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not."

"A few points. 1. Notice how lying to the American people is completely justified by Obama administration standards so long as the ends justify the means. Gruber would "rather have this law than not," and therefore purposely lying about what the law actually is in order to get it passed is completely acceptable. regardless of the negative effects it has on the lives of Americans. 2. Lack of transparency might be a huge political advantage in the short term, but long term there are consequences from voters, which is exactly what we saw last week during the Democrat blood bath at every level of government across the country. 3. Insulting Americans as stupid and deceiving them is a really good way to lose your power on Capitol Hill, which is again exactly what we saw last week in the 2014 midterms. Twenty-eight Senators who voted for Obamacare are now out of the Senate for one reason or another. 4. Obamacare in its entirely was "sold" on lies. From the promise to keep your doctor to claims insurance rates would go down, not up -- to hiding that the legislation was in fact a tax until of course it was necessary to argue it was a tax to save the legislation at the Supreme Court. Government bureaucrats promising an expansion of care knowing care under Obamacare would be limited, etc. Hell, even the official name for Obamacare, "The Affordable Care Act," is a lie. Obamacare isn't affordable. 5. The process through which Obamacare was shoved through and down the throats of the American people happened as a result of Harry Reid changing Senate rules and without the support of voters. The legislation didn't receive a single Republican vote in the House or the Senate. "

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-yeah-we-lied-to-the-stupid-american-people-n1916605
Yeah jatki, I'm sure townhall.com is your go-to source for accurate information.





SHEESH! I wasn't even sure the source til you pointed it out. You're an expert at googling Forkie, try a search on on "Gruden stupid Americans", you'll come up with pages and pages of results stating the sane thing I just posted. It's pretty hilarious(not to mention pathetic) that this is your best response to what is widely known information. You're slacking..big time.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
DonDiego has come across an excellent brief summary of where Obamacare stands now, . . . and its likely future: The Exchange System is Collapsing

It is an excellent read.

F'rinstance, For the fiscal year 2015, the Government "has $363 million to divvy up [in the Risk Corridor Program] while insurers have requested $2.87 billion."
i.e. Because the 2014 Spending Bill required the Program to be "revenue neutral", i.e. no new taxes, there is no more money for the insurers.


Oh, . . . but that's not all.
There is an outstanding summary of why the Obamacare Co-Ops are failing at reason.com

*****quote***
A government program being poorly run is nothing new, of course. But the co-ops established under the health care law were subject to a series of regulations that make you wonder how they were ever supposed to succeed in the first place.
"It should be no surprise that so many of them are going belly-up," said John Davidson, director of health policy for the Texas Public Policy Foundation, on the latest edition of the Watchdog Podcast. "The rules that they put on these co-ops almost set them up to fail."
For starters, the co-ops were barred from hiring anyone who had served at an executive level at any health insurance company in the country.
etc., etc., etc. . . . . . . .
[boldface added - DD]
***endquote***

What pure incompetence ! What a disaster !


Interesting indeed. What a lie and what a disaster it's turning out to be.

Libs keep asking "what's a better alternative", I say it's simple, well relatively anyway. Either go to a single-payer similar to Canada(seems to work for them pretty well) or back to a private marketplace with a govt. run insurance plan for the uninsurable because I definitely think deserves some kind of insurance. I really don't see any major problems with the second choice.

Any one remember this...The most idiotic quote ever known to man

Are you learning what was in this piece of crap bill yet?

"The most transparent administration in history" - unless you are from the opaque universe.

And she is still the Democrat leader of the House ---- If I were a Democrat, I'd be so proud.
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Originally posted by: jphelan
And she is still the Democrat leader of the House ---- If I were a Democrat, I'd be so proud.


Maybe they voted for her so they could find out more about her?
No comment from the self proclaimed ACA expert?
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
DonDiego has come across an excellent brief summary of where Obamacare stands now...
From an Exxon-Mobil-Koch Brothers funded "think" tank! Well there's an unbiased source. Tell me DonDiego, what does Breitbart have to say about it?

And creating new health insurance companies was always a bad idea. Obviously, patterning healthcare services after the incredibly popular and efficient Medicare would have been a much better way to go.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
DonDiego has come across an excellent brief summary of where Obamacare stands now...
From an Exxon-Mobil-Koch Brothers funded "think" tank! Well there's an unbiased source.

Perhaps forkushV would enlighten the LVA Forum with corrections to the referenced article.

When Huffington Post is running articles saying Obamacare will fail you know it's in dire straits. Single payer will not work here. We have at least 10 times the population of countries with single payer and our population is more unhealthy. Those countries don't have the illegal immigration problem that we do either.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-karr/why-obamacare-will-fail_b_8586192.html?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000090
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