A Market Collapse Is On The Horizon

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: esteskefauver
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
No need for concern, . . . pr'bly jes' a little retail "hiccup":

America 2016

#1 Sears lost 580 million dollars in the fourth quarter of 2015 alone, and they are scheduled to close at least 50 more “unprofitable stores” by the end of this year.

#2 It is being reported that Sports Authority will file for bankruptcy in March. Some news reports have indicated that around 200 stores may close, but at this point it is not known how many of their 450 stores will be able to stay open.

#3 For decades, Kohl’s has been growing aggressively, but now it plans to shutter 18 stores in 2016.

#4 Target has just finished closing 13 stores in the United States.

#5 Best Buy closed 30 stores last year, and it says that more store closings are likely in the months to come.

#6 Office Depot plans to close a total of 400 stores by the end of 2016.

#7 Wal-Mart is closing 269 stores, including 154 inside the United States.

#8 K-Mart is closing down more than two dozen stores over the next several months.

#9 J.C. Penney will be permanently shutting down 47 more stores after closing a total of 40 stores in 2015.

#10 Macy’s has decided that it needs to shutter 36 stores and lay off approximately 2,500 employees.

#11 The Gap is in the process of closing 175 stores in North America.

#12 Aeropostale is in the process of closing 84 stores all across America.

#13 Finish Line has announced that 150 stores will be shutting down over the next few years.
Who needs all that Brick and Mortar when those stores offer on-line ordering and often free delivery? And then there's Amazon...they're not closing any stores.

Let's see....do I want to shower, dress, Lock up the house, Drive to the Mall, Park, Walk a mile to JC Penny's, find out they're out of my color underwear and drive home???....or order 20 pairs from JCP.com and have them delivered Monday by the hot UPS Woman?


We've had the internet for over 2 decades and e-retail has been around for about as long. I'm glad to see you've discovered the benefits of ordering online. What took you so long? Amazon is opening brick and mortar stores now I presume because there are benefits to actually having the product in your hand before purchasing it. Also, because it's much cheaper to check out a customer with an item at the cash register than to pull, pack, and ship the same item.
I think you missed my point. The vast majority of those stores Don Diego identified are shuttering are not closing because of a slow down in overall retail sales. It's because a lot of sales have moved from the Mall to the internet. I have personally known about on-line ordering for several days now.


I got your point. I was being sarcastic. For a number of years now online sales have been growing at around 15%. I don't remember so many store closings during previous years. Some store closings are due to internet sales increasing, but some of them are because the economy sucks. You can thank Obamacare, new minimum wage laws, and other liberal regulations for many of the closings.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: esteskefauver
We've had the internet for over 2 decades and e-retail has been around for about as long.

DonDiego apologizes for supposing closing stores suggested falling sales. He will make a point of looking into this "internet-thing" to which several posters have referred.


I just received my new phone book yesterday. It is about as thick as a thick magazine. I once had the opportunity to sell ad space in the yellow pages. Thank God I chose not to do it.
I'm having a helluva time finding my local Blockbuster. Not to mention Radio Shack and Wherehouse Records.

Must be the economy.
Not the point DD was trying to make, but lots of lost jobs there. Since the late 1970s we have shed tons of higher paying manufacturing jobs. Now we are shedding lower paying retail jobs. The bottom line is we have more people than we have jobs. And just like the factory's that proceeded them, these places aren't coming back.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
No need for concern, . . . pr'bly jes' a little retail "hiccup":

America 2016

#1 Sears lost 580 million dollars in the fourth quarter of 2015 alone, and they are scheduled to close at least 50 more “unprofitable stores” by the end of this year.

#2 It is being reported that Sports Authority will file for bankruptcy in March. Some news reports have indicated that around 200 stores may close, but at this point it is not known how many of their 450 stores will be able to stay open.

#3 For decades, Kohl’s has been growing aggressively, but now it plans to shutter 18 stores in 2016.

#4 Target has just finished closing 13 stores in the United States.

#5 Best Buy closed 30 stores last year, and it says that more store closings are likely in the months to come.

#6 Office Depot plans to close a total of 400 stores by the end of 2016.

#7 Wal-Mart is closing 269 stores, including 154 inside the United States.

#8 K-Mart is closing down more than two dozen stores over the next several months.

#9 J.C. Penney will be permanently shutting down 47 more stores after closing a total of 40 stores in 2015.

#10 Macy’s has decided that it needs to shutter 36 stores and lay off approximately 2,500 employees.

#11 The Gap is in the process of closing 175 stores in North America.

#12 Aeropostale is in the process of closing 84 stores all across America.

#13 Finish Line has announced that 150 stores will be shutting down over the next few years.



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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
No need for concern, . . . pr'bly jes' a little retail "hiccup":

America 2016

#1 Sears lost 580 million dollars in the fourth quarter of 2015 alone, and they are scheduled to close at least 50 more “unprofitable stores” by the end of this year.

#2 It is being reported that Sports Authority will file for bankruptcy in March. Some news reports have indicated that around 200 stores may close, but at this point it is not known how many of their 450 stores will be able to stay open.

#3 For decades, Kohl’s has been growing aggressively, but now it plans to shutter 18 stores in 2016.

#4 Target has just finished closing 13 stores in the United States.

#5 Best Buy closed 30 stores last year, and it says that more store closings are likely in the months to come.

#6 Office Depot plans to close a total of 400 stores by the end of 2016.

#7 Wal-Mart is closing 269 stores, including 154 inside the United States.

#8 K-Mart is closing down more than two dozen stores over the next several months.

#9 J.C. Penney will be permanently shutting down 47 more stores after closing a total of 40 stores in 2015.

#10 Macy’s has decided that it needs to shutter 36 stores and lay off approximately 2,500 employees.

#11 The Gap is in the process of closing 175 stores in North America.

#12 Aeropostale is in the process of closing 84 stores all across America.

#13 Finish Line has announced that 150 stores will be shutting down over the next few years.
Who needs all that Brick and Mortar when those stores offer on-line ordering and often free delivery? And then there's Amazon...they're not closing any stores.

Let's see....do I want to shower, dress, Lock up the house, Drive to the Mall, Park, Walk a mile to JC Penny's, find out they're out of my color underwear and drive home???....or order 20 pairs from JCP.com and have them delivered Monday by the hot UPS Woman?


You have a particular color of underwear you're that dedicated to? You couldn't just go with the fuscia ones?

Kidding aside, it's exactly right. We're huge fans of Amazon and online shopping period. I go to the grocery store (Food Lion) several times a week and M hits the super Target about once a month for all the household sundrys. Dollar general is also on the list for cleaning supplies and Costco for our meat supply's. I just bought another whole prime Strip loin. 90 bucks and got 10 2" steaks and 2 3 1/2" roasts off it. That works out to such an incredible value, I can't buy choice steaks for that cheap. Gotta love costco. I do have to find a better way to do the large roast cuts, I tried to do one like a pot roast, not the ideal way. Have to figure a good way to cook a 4" NY strip hunk o' beef correctly.

WOW, I went off on a tangent here, sorry.
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Originally posted by: jphelan
Retail has always been a strange market. Even in the best days, many retailers made 90% of their sales between Thanksgiving and New Years. The high rental rates for empty malls for 10.5 months of the year make no sense. Who even goes to a mall anymore?


I heard (and beleive) our local mall, which used to be busy all the time, is a total ghost town. At one point it started to be taken over by the local thugs/kids/gangs and the mall owners did react to thast. They spent a bunch of money cleaning it up and giving it a major face lift, and I guess it helped for awhile (running the thugs out was the biggest step) but it has returned to being a ghost town. Online is the new shopping, Bezos saw it and so did a few others. Many did not see it coming and thought there will always be a need for and demand for brick and mortar. Holds true for the likes of a CVS and Food Lion, not so much Barnes and Noble's.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
I'm having a helluva time finding my local Blockbuster. Not to mention Radio Shack and Wherehouse Records.

Must be the economy.


Victoria's Secret is still around...well, if you're into that kind of thing

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Originally posted by: malibber2
Not the point DD was trying to make, but lots of lost jobs there. Since the late 1970s we have shed tons of higher paying manufacturing jobs. Now we are shedding lower paying retail jobs. The bottom line is we have more people than we have jobs. And just like the factory's that proceeded them, these places aren't coming back.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
No need for concern, . . . pr'bly jes' a little retail "hiccup":

America 2016

#1 Sears lost 580 million dollars in the fourth quarter of 2015 alone, and they are scheduled to close at least 50 more “unprofitable stores” by the end of this year.

#2 It is being reported that Sports Authority will file for bankruptcy in March. Some news reports have indicated that around 200 stores may close, but at this point it is not known how many of their 450 stores will be able to stay open.

#3 For decades, Kohl’s has been growing aggressively, but now it plans to shutter 18 stores in 2016.

#4 Target has just finished closing 13 stores in the United States.

#5 Best Buy closed 30 stores last year, and it says that more store closings are likely in the months to come.

#6 Office Depot plans to close a total of 400 stores by the end of 2016.

#7 Wal-Mart is closing 269 stores, including 154 inside the United States.

#8 K-Mart is closing down more than two dozen stores over the next several months.

#9 J.C. Penney will be permanently shutting down 47 more stores after closing a total of 40 stores in 2015.

#10 Macy’s has decided that it needs to shutter 36 stores and lay off approximately 2,500 employees.

#11 The Gap is in the process of closing 175 stores in North America.

#12 Aeropostale is in the process of closing 84 stores all across America.

#13 Finish Line has announced that 150 stores will be shutting down over the next few years.




..and ultra cheap labor keeps pouring from the south with not much being done about and the ones already here. I know, I know..trying to better themselves..trying for better life..blah,blah,blah. I sympathize but I think our citizens should be the priority here, Vets in particular. I think it's sickening that any Vet could end up homeless and we have such places as "sanctuary" cities. Repulsive.
NO. DD is correct.
Get your $$ out of the bank,NOW.
We are not going to like what happens.

Get your shit together. This is serious.
All these jobs gone, and they aren't coming back.


Remember Them? 15 Most Memorable Companies That Vanished
WalletPop Staff
Jan 10th 2011 6:00AM
Updated Jan 10th 2011 10:20AM

E.F. Hutton, General Foods and TWA used to be household companies, but now they have all but vanished
Remember E.F. Hutton? General Foods? TWA? They were once household names, but not anymore. Take a walk down memory lane as we reminisce about some companies that made a big name for themselves, but didn't stand the test of time.

Here are our picks for the 15 most memorable companies that no longer exist.



Compaq computersCompaq
Once upon a time, there was a computer brand called Compaq. It was one of the largest sellers of PCs in the entire world in the 1980s and 1990s. Then 2002 comes and Hewlett-Packard Corp. merges with the company. The end. Well, sounds like a short-lived story, and in actuality, it was. Compaq existed for only 20 years (1982 - 2002) before being gobbled up by then-CEO Carly Fiorina of HP to make HP's market share as large as possible.


E.F. HuttonE.F. Hutton
"When E.F. Hutton talks, people listen," claimed the well-known slogan from the respected broker's ubiquitous ads in the 1970s and 1980s. Well, it seems the stock market crash of 1987, bad press from money laundering and fraud scandals along with the firm's deep debt had people stopped listening. In 1987, Hutton agreed to be acquired by Shearson Lehman Brothers. Several mergers later what remains of the once proud firm is now part of Citigroup, Inc.


PaineWebberPaineWebber
PaineWebber was never the biggest brokerage on Wall Street, but it was part of the solid middle. It was founded in 1880 by William Alfred Paine and Wallace G. Webber. It survived a securities fraud scandal in the late 1930s, and by 1980 it had 161 branch offices in 42 states and six offices in Asia and Europe. In 2000, it merged with UBS AG, to become UBS PaineWebber, but in 2003, "PaineWebber" was dropped and replaced with UBS Wealth Management USA.

Merry-Go-round retail storesMerry-Go-Round
In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Merry-Go-Round was the darling of Wall Street and the suburbs where teens sold $70 rayon shirts for minimum wage plus commission. Its 536 stores comprised Merry-Go-Round, Dejaiz, Cignal and Chess King. Sadly, the mid-nineties teen did not want to wear v-neck sweater vests, mesh, or paisley rayon blouses. The business was so overtly trendy it tipped over the edge. Merry-Go-Round filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in 1994, but couldn't stay afloat and liquidated all its assets in 1996.

MCI WorldComMCI WorldCom
Starting as Long Distance Discount Services in 1983, it changed its name to WorldCom in 1995. A series of mega-mergers transformed the company. It was rechristened MCI WorldCom in 1998. Then the telecom industry started a prolonged downturn. Management resorted to accounting tricks to try to keep the stock afloat. By 2002, an elaborate accounting fraud was revealed. In bankruptcy, it changed its name back to MCI. In 2006 Verizon purchased MCI, and most of its operations became what is now called Verizon Business.

Eastern AirlinesEastern Airlines
Eastern began as a mail carrier for the U.S. Postal Service in the mid-1920s, but through acquisition and expansion came to dominate much of the domestic travel industry along the profitable East Coast corridor by the 1950s. The airline thrived into the 1970s, when it was one of the "big four" major U.S. airlines. However, the carrier struggled after the Air Transportation Deregulation Act of 1978. Deteriorating labor relations forced it into bankruptcy in 1989, at the time the largest airline bankruptcy in U.S. history. It ceased operations in 1991.

Enron is now the symbol of corporate fraudEnron
Has there ever been a company that had such a spectacular rise and fall as this Houston-based energy company? Enron had 22,000 employees and claimed revenues of $111 billion in 2000 before its massive accounting fraud came to light. It is now the symbol of corporate fraud and corruption and its 2001 bankruptcy is the largest in U.S. history.



Woolworth's
Founded in 1879, Woolworth's became the model for five-and-dimes throughout the U.S. As the era of the enclosed shopping mall arose, Woolworth's responded by acquisition and expansion, buying such specialty shops as Kinney Shoes, Champs Sports, and Foot Locker. But rapid expansion proved to be the company's undoing. By 1997 all Woolworth's shops had closed. In 2001, the company changed its name to Foot Locker.


Pan Am AirlinesPan Am
Pan American World Airways, or Pan Am, was an international airline that was in business from 1927 through 1991, when it ceased its operations after over a decade of mounting financial losses and declared bankruptcy. The company, despite being defunct for seventeen years, is still well remembered in pop culture. The blue circular logo has made such an impression that it is put on designer travel bags to signify traveling in luxury today.

Standard oil station in 1911Standard Oil
Standard Oil (1870 - 1911) was the dominant oil company in the world until it was felled by the Sherman Anti-Trust Act of 1890. In 1911, the Supreme Court ruled that Standard Oil had violated the Act through its tactics of using low prices to wipe out competitors. The result was a breakup of the company into what is now Chevron, Exxon Mobil and ConocoPhillips.


The interior of a Pullman Railroad car The Pullman Company
George Pullman founded the Pullman Palace Car Company in Illinois in 1867. The company had a long and illustrious business cycle that spanned more than a century. Just when things were in high gear, the government intervened. In the interest of antitrust laws, Pullman Inc. was ordered to divest itself of either the Pullman Company (operating) or the Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company (manufacturing). After three years of negotiation, the Pullman Company was sold to a railroad consortium for approximately $40 million.

Arthur AndersonArthur Andersen
Arthur Andersen (1913 to 2002) spent decades as a leading accounting and consulting firm. Founded in 1913, it was once a member of the "Big 8" accounting firms, which later became the "Big 5." Andersen's downfall was its role as Enron's auditor. It used its credibility to bless Enron's special purpose entities and a whole host of illegal accounting. In 2002, the firm voluntarily surrendered its licenses to practice as CPAs after being found guilty of criminal charges, resulting in the loss of 85,000 jobs.

General Foods owned brands such as Kool-AidGeneral Foods Corporation
Among General Foods' many product offerings were Sanka decaffeinated coffee and Tang. General Foods also continued to make acquisitions, including the makers of Kool-Aid, the Burger Chef restaurant chain and Oscar Mayer. But late in 1985, General Foods was itself acquired by Philip Morris (which later became Altria Group). When Philip Morris acquired Kraft in 1988, the two food companies were merged. In 2007, Altria spun off Kraft Foods.


TWA airlinesTWA
Founded in 1930, TWA peaked in the early 1980s. But deregulation and a lack of investment in new aircraft hit the airline hard, and it was acquired by Carl Icahn in 1985 in a hostile takeover. Icahn took the company private in 1988, pocketing nearly $500 million for himself while saddling the company with $540 million in debt. Four years later, stripped of its most valuable assets and struggling with massive debt payments, TWA declared bankruptcy. Finally, American Airlines bought TWA in 2001.

DeLorean Motor CompanyDeLorean Motor Company
Many of us remember the car used in the "Back to the Future" films, which was the trademark stainless steel DeLorean. The DeLorean Motor Company was formed in 1975 by auto executive John DeLorean, whose gull-wing door sports car model became the image for the entire company. Unfortunately, the DMC-12 sports car suffered from lack of actual demand, even with the huge amount of publicity. In 1982, the DeLorean Motor Company went into receivership and bankruptcy as a result.

These five companies also shared the same fate as the ones above, and landed a spot on our Honorable Mentions list:

-- Lionel Corp.
-- Adelphia
-- Pets.com
-- Bear Stearns
-- Beatrice Food Products


Except they did. Companies come, companies go. Think of all the electronics companies that no longer exist. The Sporting Authority was built on the ruins of Hermans, and is serving as a pyre for Dicks.
TWA went away and Jet Blue came along. Comp USA and Circuit City went away and gave us Best Buy. Remember Gimbels? Korvettes? A&S? Crazy Eddies? Wetsons? Howard Johnsons? All huge market leaders no longer with us.
Circle of Life folks. Circle of Life.
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