More pension trouble?

You know I have often pondered why the school year is simply not shortened. I can recall school not starting until September and getting out mid May. Around my area they go from mid August until the first week of June now. I also had a full three weeks off at Christmas. Now it is like a week and a half. Simply cutting 3-4 weeks out of the school year would save boat loads of money for the states which they could spend on other things like pensions.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: jatki99
I wonder how many other towns and cities are going to go the bankrupt route.

Or States?

As jatki99 has already noted Chicago is pr'bly has the worst funded pensions for a large City after Detroit, . . . but illinois is also the worst funded among the States.

Annual NET Pension Liability as % of Total State Revenue Rank
1 Illinois 241.1% [i.e. It would take almost 2½-years of all State Taxes to fully fund the pensions.]
2 Connecticut 189.7%
3 Kentucky 140.9%
4 New Jersey 137.2%
5 Hawaii 132.5%
6 Louisiana 130.2%
7 Colorado 117.5%
8 Pennsylvania 105.0%
9 Massachusetts 100.4%
10 Maryland 99.5%
11 Texas 92.5%
12 Rhode Island 91.3%
13 West Virginia 86.2%
14 Maine 76.6%
15 Montana 62.5%
16 California 61.8%
17 Oklahoma 61.8%
18 Indiana 61.3%
19 North Dakota 61.2%
20 South Carolina 59.7%
21 New Hampshire 56.4%
22 Alaska 55.2%
23 Mississippi 53.0%
24 Vermont 49.2%
25 Delaware 48.2%
26 Georgia 42.0%
27 Wyoming 39.9%
28 Nevada 39.1%
29 New Mexico 37.8%
30 Alabama 36.9%
31 Virginia 35.5%
32 Oregon 33.9%
33 Arkansas 33.6%
34 Washington 32.7%
35 Utah 30.8%
36 Missouri 27.7%
37 Minnesota 27.3%
38 Arizona 26.7%
39 Michigan 25.4%
40 Kansas 23.1%
41 South Dakota 20.7%
42 Ohio 19.6%
43 Tennessee 19.2%
44 Florida 19.2%
45 North Carolina 18.3%
46 New York 16.6%
47 Iowa 16.1%
48 Idaho 14.8%
49 Wisconsin 14.4%
50 Nebraska 6.8% [[i.e.] It would take less than a month of all State Taxes to fully fund the pensions.]

Ref: Moody's Investors Service


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Originally posted by: hoops2
What govt or president ran up a $5t deficit in 5 years other than Obama?
I can't deny it, I love when hoop2 keeps giving me opportunities to do this:













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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: hoops2
What govt or president ran up a $5t deficit in 5 years other than Obama?
I can't deny it, I love when hoop2 keeps giving me opportunities to do this:





DonDiego is uncertain exactly what opportunity Chilcoot thinks hoops2 offered him. Chilcoot's colorful charts do not even address hoops2's question.

hoops2 asked: "What govt or president ran up a $5t[rillion] deficit in 5 years other than Obama?"

The correct answer is no Government or President other than President Barack Hussein Obama has added $5-trillion to a deficit in less than 5 years; it took President George W. Bush 8 years.



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Originally posted by: DonDiego
The correct answer is no Government or President other than President Barack Hussein Obama has added $5-trillion to a deficit in less than 5 years; it took President George W. Bush 8 years.




AND SO on this day, we pause to add one Donald Diego of Pennsyltucky to the ever-growing rolls of know-nothings who, in 2013, somehow STILL don't understand the difference between Deficit and Debt.



LET NO MAN QUESTION HIS ECONOMIC IGNORANCE!!!


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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
AND SO on this day, we pause to add one Donald Diego of Pennsyltucky to the ever-growing rolls of know-nothings who, in 2013, somehow STILL don't understand the difference between Deficit and Debt.

Au contraire !

DonDiego understands the National Debt is the accumulated annual deficits.

DonDiego's chart shows that the National Debt rose from $10.6-trillion to $16-trillion over President Barack Hussein Obama's first 4 years in office. Thus the accumulated annual deficits were $ 5.4-trillion.
$ 5.4-trillion > $ 5-trillion. QED
[DonDiego leaves as an exercise for Chilcoot to calculate the individual annual deficits; hint: it involves subtraction.]

Does Chilcoot not recognize that his charts do not present the annual deficit in dollars, . . . but only as a percentage of GDP? And thus do not address hoops2's question? Unless he provides the GDP numbers?
Or is there confusion as to what hoops2 meant by "$5t deficit in 5 years" ? [DonDiego suggests the only possible interpretation is that it refers to 5 years of accumulated deficits.]

And why does Chilcoot find it necessary to assume [incorrectly] that a poster is ignorant of some fact so that he can insult him? DonDiego recommends Chilcoot undergo a thorough bowel cleansing to improve his disposition.
President Bush is responsible for FY 2009, that was his eighth and final budget. He submitted his FY 2009 budget to Congress in 2008, It was passed by the House of Representatives on June 5, 2008, when President Obama was a US Senator.

President Obama's first budget was FY 2010. He submitted it to Congress in Feburary 2009, just a couple weeks after assuming the Presidency. He'll be accountable for FY 2010 through FY 2017.

So even if I accept your numbers, which are wrong, $16.0 - $11.9 = $4.1, not $5.4.

The CBO projects a $642 billion budget deficit for fiscal year 2013, down more than $200 billion from its February estimate and the smallest annual shortfall since 2008. It is the lowest level of deficit spending to date under President Obama, who faced $1 trillion or more in annual deficits during his first term.

USA Today, May 15, 2013

As the proclamation states, your economic ignorance should not be questioned.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
AND SO on this day, we pause to add one Donald Diego of Pennsyltucky to the ever-growing rolls of know-nothings who, in 2013, somehow STILL don't understand the difference between Deficit and Debt.

Au contraire !

DonDiego understands the National Debt is the accumulated annual deficits.

DonDiego's chart shows that the National Debt rose from $10.6-trillion to $16-trillion over President Barack Hussein Obama's first 4 years in office. Thus the accumulated annual deficits were $ 5.4-trillion.
$ 5.4-trillion > $ 5-trillion. QED
[DonDiego leaves as an exercise for Chilcoot to calculate the individual annual deficits; hint: it involves subtraction.]

Does Chilcoot not recognize that his charts do not present the annual deficit in dollars, . . . but only as a percentage of GDP? And thus do not address hoops2's question? Unless he provides the GDP numbers?
Or is there confusion as to what hoops2 meant by "$5t deficit in 5 years" ? [DonDiego suggests the only possible interpretation is that it refers to 5 years of accumulated deficits.]

And why does Chilcoot find it necessary to assume [incorrectly] that a poster is ignorant of some fact so that he can insult him? DonDiego recommends Chilcoot undergo a thorough bowel cleansing to improve his disposition.




Oh let me answer your last question DD. Cause he is an arrogant A**HOLE!
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
DonDiego understands the National Debt is the accumulated annual deficits...
True! And a stew is accumulated meats and vegetables.

But anyone who claims that a potato slice is a stew is either very stupid or fundamentally dishonest. And anyone who claims that the deficit is the national debt is either very stupid or fundamentally dishonest.

Guess which one I'm betting on.
In the history of our nation, the deficit has never been higher than it was in the fiscal year that began before President Obama took office.

Here's how an AP story run on Fox News put it recently:

The deficit reached a record $1.41 trillion in budget year 2009, which began four months before President Obama took office.

That's right, the highest any deficit's ever been was $1.41 trillion. Making it impossible for anyone who knows the difference between debt and deficit to write the following

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
no Government or President other than President Barack Hussein Obama has added $5-trillion to a deficit in less than 5 years; it took President George W. Bush 8 years.


As for rdwoodpecker's namecalling in defense of Don Diego, well, I guess every Moe has his Larry.

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
In the history of our nation, the deficit has never been higher than it was in the fiscal year that began before President Obama took office.

Here's how an AP story run on Fox News put it recently:

The deficit reached a record $1.41 trillion in budget year 2009, which began four months before President Obama took office.

The House and Senate were controlled by Democrats. Obama voted for that budget too. How easy is it to vote FOR something and then blame it on someone else?

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