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Originally posted by: malibber2 This is a republican mess. It was born out of a raciest mentality that black citizens can’t elect officials that will manage municipalities appropriately.

Flint has been mismanaged for decades...by Democrats. They were essentially bankrupt and in receivership. They had an Emergency Manager Alright. One with a ton of experience managing local governments. Democrat Darnell Earley. Who...is also black. So your argument is appointing a Black Democrat to help get control of a city bankrupted by Democrats is a Racist Republican plot?

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The arrogant bastards thought they could do a better job of managing a city that had been de-industrialized through no fault of its elected leaders.

This Flint River Water switchover was fully supported by Democrat Mayor Dayne Walling who personally testified to its safety by drinking the water on local television and tweeting that he and his family drink Flint water every day.

Doctors recommended ending the use of the Flint river as a water supply, but were told in a meeting with Walling and other city officials that such a move would bankrupt the city
Are those the types of 'no fault' elected (democrat) leaders you're talking about?

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Make no mistake about it Alan. This is the perfect illustration of why the conservative approach to government is simply unworkable.

It's always easy to blame the other team....especially when you are unabashedly partisan. If you really look at it there's a lot of blame to go around. Like when did the EPA know about this and why didn't they act?

I just showed you how all those democrat local officials including the democrat Mayor and democrat Emergency Manager supported this boondoggle.

I think the real fault is with the scientists or engineers or bureaucrats from the Water Department who fucked up the science on it. How did they study this? Who approved THE PROJECT from a water quality standpoint and why? It wasn't the Governor.
Lol Alan tries to blame Democrats because a state employee that was hired by the Republican Governor to serve as dictator of Flint was a Democrat. I guess Obama isn't responsible for any policy that involved the military prior to 2011 because he retained Robert Gates, a Republican, to be defense secretary.
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The council voted to get the water from Lake Huron. Here's the news on that from almost two years
Don't you even read your own articles. Like the final sentence where this LOCAL DECISION required approval for 2 Million Gallons a day from the Flint River. Approval from whom? The Republicans? No. The bureaucrats over at the BUREAU OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. Let's just go back to blaming Democrat Darnell Earley. Ok?
The locals voted to get 11% of their water from the Flint River, but the governor's emergency manager overruled them and went 100% for poison water.

Only liars and the guy who is being hunted down by a congressional committee say it was a local decision.

Oh you mean DEMOCRAT DARNELL EARLEY was intentionally trying to Poison Flint residents.

I almost can't stop laughing when Forkush says with a straight face that he now takes the actions of Republican House Committee investigations into the actions of a Democrat Politician seriously. What a fucking hypocrite. In the famous words of PJ...BENGHAZI!

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Originally posted by: malibber2
Lol Alan tries to blame Democrats because a state employee that was hired by the Republican Governor to serve as dictator of Flint was a Democrat. I guess Obama isn't responsible for any policy that involved the military prior to 2011 because he retained Robert Gates, a Republican, to be defense secretary.

What about the Democrat Mayor and all those other city officials that supported the river water? You know....the local guys that you think can somehow manage better than the other democrat 'dictator' they agreed with. You're trying to turn a bureaucratic fuck up into a partisan issue...which it's not.

I'm just pointing out that a lot of the guys your side claims screwed it up are on your team. As to not telling the People IMMEDIATELY when it was found out...well that's just wrong and any politician or bureaucrat or doctor or scientist involved...Including the EPA and the Governor and local politicians should suffer for it.

In reality...I don't blame 'Democrats' or 'Republicans' though. I blame the individuals involved...bureaucrats and politicians. I blame the water engineers and water quality managers who approved this thing without enough study or testing.

I do object to your's and forkies blanket smear of Republicans. If you're going to play that game you might as well blame Obama too since the buck stops there and his EPA is responsible for...wait for it...'Environmental Protection'.

There's plenty of blame to go around. I just wish you'd admit it.

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Originally posted by: malibber2
Lol Alan tries to blame Democrats because a state employee that was hired by the Republican Governor to serve as dictator of Flint was a Democrat. I guess Obama isn't responsible for any policy that involved the military prior to 2011 because he retained Robert Gates, a Republican, to be defense secretary.

What about the Democrat Mayor and all those other city officials that supported the river water? You know....the local guys that you think can somehow manage better than the other democrat 'dictator' they agreed with. You're trying to turn a bureaucratic fuck up into a partisan issue...which it's not.

I'm just pointing out that a lot of the guys your side claims screwed it up are on your team. As to not telling the People IMMEDIATELY when it was found out...well that's just wrong and any politician or bureaucrat or doctor or scientist involved...Including the EPA and the Governor and local politicians should suffer for it.

In reality...I don't blame 'Democrats' or 'Republicans' though. I blame the individuals involved...bureaucrats and politicians. I blame the water engineers and water quality managers who approved this thing without enough study or testing.

I do object to your's and forkies blanket smear of Republicans. If you're going to play that game you might as well blame Obama too since the buck stops there and his EPA is responsible for...wait for it...'Environmental Protection'.

There's plenty of blame to go around. I just wish you'd admit it.


Number one it is not clear they supported anything other than it being used as a source of emergency water. Number 2 If you haven’t heard Democracy was suspended for black folks in Flint and other areas in Michigan. You either go along with what the appointed Dictator says or you are removed from elected office. If elected officials in these poor black areas want their paychecks as mayor or city council members, they have to goose step to the tune of the republican appointed dictator. Michigan’s emergency manger law renders elected local officials nothing more than mere figureheads with no authority to do anything. Even if I assume everything you say about local folks approving it is true, it means nothing because under Michigan law (Passed by the Republicans), they had no authority to approve it.

Furthermore, what makes this thing so wrong is that after people in the Governor’s office knew the water was bad, they kept trying to discredit the scientists that did the testing and kept telling the residents to drink the poison. You think because some lackey that serves at the governor’s pleasure says the water is safe, that it is the problem of lackey’s political party.

Even if we were to buy your ridiculous claims that the Democrats were of equal blame for selecting the water source, what happened afterwards was all on the Republicans that controlled the state.

Trying to run government on simplistic conservative talking points doesn’t work. In the 1960s, Flint had more than twice the population than it does now. The infrastructure including the roads, water and sewer were built to serve a population twice the current size. The population that is left is the lower income half of the population, so you have a tax base that can basically pay for a quarter or less of the existing infrastructure. There is no elected official Democratic or Republican that can magically make these types of numbers work on the local level. It is cowardly to blame the (black) population for changes in the automobile industry and claim mismanagement when the problem is simple math.

And that is really what this is all about. Cheap white republicans don’t want to acknowledge simple mathematical facts like these because they are cheap and a lot of them are racist. It is unsavory for them to think they might have to use State Funds to fix problems in Flint or Detroit because the blacks live there, so they spew propaganda like blacks are incapable of running a city. They simplistically think white folks just need to show them negros how to run the city like a business and it will be problem solved. The next thing you know 9,000 kids are being poisoned because the republicans running the city like a business didn’t want to spend $100 a day on anti-corrosive treatments.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
The council voted to get the water from Lake Huron. Here's the news on that from almost two years
Don't you even read your own articles. Like the final sentence where this LOCAL DECISION required approval for 2 Million Gallons a day from the Flint River. Approval from whom? The Republicans? No. The bureaucrats over at the BUREAU OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. Let's just go back to blaming Democrat Darnell Earley. Ok?
The locals voted to get 11% of their water from the Flint River, but the governor's emergency manager overruled them and went 100% for poison water.

Only liars and the guy who is being hunted down by a congressional committee say it was a local decision.

Oh you mean DEMOCRAT DARNELL EARLEY was intentionally trying to Poison Flint residents...
And John Wilkes Booth was a Democrat too. Does that make you feel better?

But you claimed that the city council voted for Earley's plan. The video says that's not true. The news article from two years ago says that's not true. And that you keep repeating your claim says you're not truthful.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: forkushV
The council voted to get the water from Lake Huron. Here's the news on that from almost two years
Don't you even read your own articles. Like the final sentence where this LOCAL DECISION required approval for 2 Million Gallons a day from the Flint River. Approval from whom? The Republicans? No. The bureaucrats over at the BUREAU OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. Let's just go back to blaming Democrat Darnell Earley. Ok?
The locals voted to get 11% of their water from the Flint River, but the governor's emergency manager overruled them and went 100% for poison water.

Only liars and the guy who is being hunted down by a congressional committee say it was a local decision.

Oh you mean DEMOCRAT DARNELL EARLEY was intentionally trying to Poison Flint residents...
And John Wilkes Booth was a Democrat too. Does that make you feel better?

But you claimed that the city council voted for Earley's plan. The video says that's not true. The news article from two years ago says that's not true. And that you keep repeating your claim says you're not truthful.
Oh..Ok they maybe only voted for 11% poisoned water...does that make you feel better. But of course the Democrat Mayor supported it...claimed it was safe too.

Alan you lack a basic understanding of the Michigan Emergency Manger law. It clearly spells out who is in charge and it ain't the mayor or members of the city council.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
The council voted to get the water from Lake Huron. Here's the news on that from almost two years
Don't you even read your own articles. Like the final sentence where this LOCAL DECISION required approval for 2 Million Gallons a day from the Flint River. Approval from whom? The Republicans? No. The bureaucrats over at the BUREAU OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. Let's just go back to blaming Democrat Darnell Earley. Ok?
The locals voted to get 11% of their water from the Flint River, but the governor's emergency manager overruled them and went 100% for poison water.

Only liars and the guy who is being hunted down by a congressional committee say it was a local decision.

Oh you mean DEMOCRAT DARNELL EARLEY was intentionally trying to Poison Flint residents...
And John Wilkes Booth was a Democrat too. Does that make you feel better?

But you claimed that the city council voted for Earley's plan. The video says that's not true. The news article from two years ago says that's not true. And that you keep repeating your claim says you're not truthful.
Oh..Ok they maybe only voted for 11% poisoned water...does that make you feel better....
OBVIOUSLY yes!!!!! The governor's emergency manager's plan resulted in lead levels that were deemed toxic waste. Diluted nine to one by Lake Huron water, the city council's plan would have resulted in lead levels that meet EPA standards.

And if you're still claiming that those two plans are the same, you're still lying.
Yeah, Yeah. The Republican Governor of Michigan appointed a Black Democrat Emergency Manager to poison the people of Flint because Republicans don't like black people. I think that's enough political pandering for one day.
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