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Tutontow
Tutontow
Jan 14, 2015
3:11am
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Charles Krauthammer wants to raise the gas tax $1.00 a gallon https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/charles-krauthammer-conservative-case-big-gas-tax-article-1.2070946
TsuDoNihm
TsuDoNihm
Jan 14, 2015
4:34am
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Many states, if not most states, spend the majority of their gasoline tax revenue on things other than roads and bridges. As of 2007, 40% of federal gasoline tax revenue was spent on stuff other than roads and bridges.


Interesting facts. Where did you get them? The seem to differ greatly from others I found.

First, from TaxFoundation.org:


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Nationwide in 2011, highway user fees and user taxes made up just 50.4 percent of state and local expenses on roads. State and local governments spent $153.0 billion on highway, road, and street expenses but raised only $77.1 billion in user fees and user taxes ($12.7 billion in tolls and user fees, $41.2 billion in fuel taxes, and $23.2 billion in vehicle license taxes).[3] The rest was funded by $30 billion in general state and local revenues and $46 billion in federal aid (approximately $28 billion derived from the federal gasoline tax and $18 billion from general federal revenues or deficit financed).


As for your 2007 claim, the charts on this page from the The Department of Transportation seem to differ as well:




That chart shows the Highway Trust Fund (HTF) revenue, which comes from fuel, truck, and tire sales taxes.

The "blue" section at the bottom is derived from Fuel Tax revenue, which appears to be in the neighborhood of 28 billion for 2007.

This chart:


Shows "Highway Funding and Expenditures by Local, State, and Federal Government: 1970–2008". The dashed purple line near the bottom shows highway spending, and for 2007 that appears to be somewhere around 35 billion, or 7 billion more than fuel taxes brought in.

Please share with us your sources for your earlier statements as I suspect many of us would like to read that alternative viewpoint.
pjstroh
pjstroh
Jan 14, 2015
4:45am
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Originally posted by: TsuDoNihm
Please share with us your sources for your earlier statements ....


HA ! That made my day

melonhead
melonhead
Jan 14, 2015
5:24am
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Liberals, like Melon, use funny pictures and jokes when they have nothing to add. They yell and talk over people when they have nothing to add. They attempt censorship when they have nothing to add.

Is this all you have, Melon? Oh, I will be meeting friends at 4pm today for drinks.


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Originally posted by: melonhead
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Originally posted by: drmilled
Somebody has to pay for all of the welfare freeloaders and illegal aliens. Also another way to fund Obeymecare subsidies to those who don't and won't work and pay their fair share of taxes.


Another drink for everybody!


So you're still making up more bullshit? I do not use "funny pictures," nor have I ever
yelled and talked over people. And attempting censorship? That's one of your biggest whopping falsehoods ever - I would never try to censor anybody, especially you and the rest of the hateful and angry old farts here. The entertainment you guys provide is priceless. Stay angry, my friend!
And another round for everybody....


Don
Don
Jan 14, 2015
6:52am
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Originally posted by: TsuDoNihm

This chart:


Shows "Highway Funding and Expenditures by Local, State, and Federal Government: 1970–2008". The dashed purple line near the bottom shows highway spending, and for 2007 that appears to be somewhere around 35 billion, or 7 billion more than fuel taxes brought in.
Umm, . . . the Department of Transportation chart indicates the dashed lines are funding [presumedly derived from taxation] and the full-lines are the expenditures. (By the way, (i)this(/i) DOT link works)

So, the chart indicates Local and State expenditures exceeded funding, but Federal funding exceeded Federal expenditures, . . . and by a lot.

DonDiego is puzzled. Are the full-purple line Federal expenditures just for the "[a]pproximately $2.9 billion in federal expenditures . . . spent on roadways within national parks, military installations and on other federally owned land", as specified in the DOT link? And if so does the chart already reflect the transfer of most Federal revenues to the States and Local?
Or are the full-line/dashed-line designations incorrect?
Poor old DonDiego cannot make the numbers on the chart come out right.
DonDiego is puzzled.


Just as a point of interest the Federal fuel tax has been "abused" over the years.
"Beginning in 1957, gas tax revenues were funneled directly into the federal Highway Trust Fund. Over the years, lawmakers raised the tax numerous times, ensuring that the trust fund would have enough money to pay for necessary projects.
In 1990 Congress approved an increase in the gas tax but allotted only half of the new revenue to building projects. The other half was dedicated to deficit reduction – which then, as now, was all the rage. In 1993 Congress approved another gas tax hike and again devoted some of the revenue to deficit reduction.
In 1997 Congress redirected all gas tax revenues to the Highway Trust Fund, and the levy returned to its former role as a user fee."
[boldface added - DD]
Ref: Forbes - 24 October 2013

DonDiego likes the idea of taxes collected as user-fees; it's like having people pay for the things they actually use, . . . sorta like private enterprise, except with a lot more waste and inefficiency.
TsuDoNihm
TsuDoNihm
Jan 14, 2015
7:23am
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

(By the way, (i)this(/i) DOT link works)


To quote Rick Perry; "oops".

I didn't notice that was a secure link, (and for the life of me can't figure out WHY it is), but the original broken link is now fixed.


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Originally posted by: DonDiego


DonDiego is puzzled. Are the full-purple line Federal expenditures just for the "[a]pproximately $2.9 billion in federal expenditures . . . spent on roadways within national parks, military installations and on other federally owned land", as specified in the DOT link? And if so does the chart already reflect the transfer of most Federal revenues to the States and Local?


It also took Tsu a minute to wrap his head around it but I believe it is as you stated. The Feds don't do all that much on their own and instead give the funds to the states who actually spend it, (but probably only under federally approved guidelines).
Boilerman
Boilerman
Jan 14, 2015
9:08am
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Does Tutontow agree with Krauthammer's position, or is Tutontow simply twisting the truth as Liberals tend to do? Here is the critical quote from the article. No response is expected.

The hike should not be 10 cents but $1. And the proceeds should not be spent by, or even entrusted to, the government. They should be immediately and entirely returned to the consumer by means of a cut in the Social Security tax.""


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Originally posted by: Tutontow
Charles Krauthammer wants to raise the gas tax $1.00 a gallon https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/charles-krauthammer-conservative-case-big-gas-tax-article-1.2070946


Boilerman
Boilerman
Jan 14, 2015
9:10am
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Liberals also take take thing out of context to twist the truth. Why did Melon feel it was necessary to do so?


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Originally posted by: melonhead
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Liberals, like Melon, use funny pictures and jokes when they have nothing to add. They yell and talk over people when they have nothing to add. They attempt censorship when they have nothing to add.

Is this all you have, Melon? Oh, I will be meeting friends at 4pm today for drinks.


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Originally posted by: melonhead
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Originally posted by: drmilled
Somebody has to pay for all of the welfare freeloaders and illegal aliens. Also another way to fund Obeymecare subsidies to those who don't and won't work and pay their fair share of taxes.


Another drink for everybody!


So you're still making up more bullshit? I do not use "funny pictures," nor have I ever
yelled and talked over people. And attempting censorship? That's one of your biggest whopping falsehoods ever - I would never try to censor anybody, especially you and the rest of the hateful and angry old farts here. The entertainment you guys provide is priceless. Stay angry, my friend!
And another round for everybody....


Boilerman
Boilerman
Jan 14, 2015
9:16am
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Please see funny picture below.


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Originally posted by: melonhead
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Pelosi's comment on gasoline...................“If there’s ever going to be an opportunity to raise the gas tax, the time when gas prices are so low—oil prices are so low—is the time to do it,” she explained.

Typical Liberalism. "How can we get more money for government?"


Drink up!



malibber2
malibber2
Jan 14, 2015
9:17am
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I didn't notice that was a secure link, (and for the life of me can't figure out WHY it is), but the original broken link is now fixed.


Blame the Google. They recently pontificated they want every site to have a security certificate and use https. They indicated they would give a rankings boost to those sites that did and penalize those who didn't.
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