Nationwide Crime Wave

It's seems to be a thin line nowadays.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
So the moral to Hoops' story is: Cops cant do their job unless they have the freedom to murder unarmed suspects...so we shouldn't prosecute murdering, scumbag cops.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
So the moral to Hoops' story is: Cops cant do their job unless they have the freedom to murder unarmed suspects...so we shouldn't prosecute murdering, scumbag cops.


Maybe its the crowd that emerges everytime the cops actually come to a crime scene. The cops are getting the idea that the department won't support them anymore for just doing their jobs. Why bother coming out to a domestic when all that will happen is people will file baseless charges against you and the department will just let you hang.

IE no cops and the crooks can do what they want.

Want to blame the guns, why do felons have them?
My Humble Solution

1. Life in Prison for a Felon in possession of a gun. No revolving door. It's really the felons with guns that are responsible for most of these murders...not the law abiding citizen with guns. Lock them up and throw away the key.

2. End the War on Drugs....and treat drug addiction as a public health issue, not a criminal justice issue. Remove the illegality of drugs and you remove a lot of the power of violent street gangs. Gangs thrive not because of drugs, but because of the money in illegal drugs.

3. Boarding School Vouchers for education. Baltimore spends $15,287 per student. Take the kids who want to learn out of those fucking slums and into private boarding schools across the nation. There are some good schools that charge less than $15K including room and board...We could have thousands more if we let parents choose that for their kids with all the money that's going into the rat hole of our failing inner city schools.

The best way (maybe the only way) to break the cycle of poverty is to get these kids out of their environment and into a place where they can learn and grow...and that's just not the slums of Baltimore ...We could turn their lives around for less money. Give the poorest the first shot at boarding school voucher programs. They need it the most. Better education means less crime.

4. Free birth control for the poor....and the more babies a welfare mom has, the less money she gets. Fewer unwanted babies means less crime.

5. End illegal immigration. We have our own poor people who need those jobs, and fewer workers means higher wages. Higher wages and more jobs mean less crime.

Ramifications from Liberal policies are setting in. They are happening today and the numbers are striking. Complain and dodge all you like, but the deaths are unfortunate and the deaths are due to Liberal policy.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
So the moral to Hoops' story is: Cops cant do their job unless they have the freedom to murder unarmed suspects...so we shouldn't prosecute murdering, scumbag cops.


Mandatory unconcealed gun carry and use laws for everyone for 30 days. I can fairly well guarantee that there will be some collateral damage (of course, there isn't any now) and that basic social skill, manners and politeness will increase tremendously by the 31st day.
Alan,

I agree with 1 & 4.

Rather than boarding schools; charter schools have proven to be a great success here in NYC. There is a waiting list to get in & there would be more of them but the teachers union blocks them.

Getting back to pj

So the moral to Hoops' story is: Cops cant do their job unless they have the freedom to murder unarmed suspects... - DIDN'T say that. The police are limiting their arrests as they now fear for their lives and jobs as they no longer have the backing of the govt. The bad guys know this & are running amok. This was predicted by several on this board.

so we shouldn't prosecute murdering, scumbag cops- NEVER said that. Also don't believe in rushes to judgement as you do every time a cop shoots somebody
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
My Humble Solution

1. Life in Prison for a Felon in possession of a gun. No revolving door. It's really the felons with guns that are responsible for most of these murders...not the law abiding citizen with guns. Lock them up and throw away the key.

2. End the War on Drugs....and treat drug addiction as a public health issue, not a criminal justice issue. Remove the illegality of drugs and you remove a lot of the power of violent street gangs. Gangs thrive not because of drugs, but because of the money in illegal drugs.

3. Boarding School Vouchers for education. Baltimore spends $15,287 per student. Take the kids who want to learn out of those fucking slums and into private boarding schools across the nation. There are some good schools that charge less than $15K including room and board...We could have thousands more if we let parents choose that for their kids with all the money that's going into the rat hole of our failing inner city schools.

The best way (maybe the only way) to break the cycle of poverty is to get these kids out of their environment and into a place where they can learn and grow...and that's just not the slums of Baltimore ...We could turn their lives around for less money. Give the poorest the first shot at boarding school voucher programs. They need it the most. Better education means less crime.

4. Free birth control for the poor....and the more babies a welfare mom has, the less money she gets. Fewer unwanted babies means less crime.

5. End illegal immigration. We have our own poor people who need those jobs, and fewer workers means higher wages. Higher wages and more jobs mean less crime.


1) Agree

2) Agree with a caveat - decriminalize most drug offenses. Discourage via fines and withhold any government payments if fines are outstanding.

3) Good idea - but charter schools may be a good substitute

4) Doesn't Obamacare provide this already? People who don't want to won't use birth control. I see SNAP being increased when a woman has more children, but other subsidies should be decreased as they have more children and subsidies should increase if they can prove there is a father in the home.

5) Similar to #2 - steep fines for illegal immigrants. If caught, you pay a fine and your employer pays a much bigger fine. Path to "legal status" for those here x year or who have children born in the country for X years with a one time fee which is < than the fine to encourage people to do the right thing. These immigrants have no chance to EVER become citizens unless they serve in the military.



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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Ramifications from Liberal policies are setting in. They are happening today and the numbers are striking. Complain and dodge all you like, but the deaths are unfortunate and the deaths are due to Liberal policy.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
So the moral to Hoops' story is: Cops cant do their job unless they have the freedom to murder unarmed suspects...so we shouldn't prosecute murdering, scumbag cops.



So Boilerman tells us deaths are due to the Liberal policy of prosecuting alleged murderers in the police force. The moral to Boilerman's story is the same as Hoops' - and no less callous, ridiculous, or uninformed.


Obama and Holder and other black leaders have taken a blatant anti-police stance. Others have followed as was seen with the Baltimore mayor. Police are concerned that if they take a tough stance against criminals, that politicians will not back them. In fact, some police believe that politicians will go after them legally, using them as pawns to gain votes and support from the black community. Anyone with half a brain saw this jump in crime coming.

As my mom used to say, the proof is in the pudding.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Ramifications from Liberal policies are setting in. They are happening today and the numbers are striking. Complain and dodge all you like, but the deaths are unfortunate and the deaths are due to Liberal policy.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
So the moral to Hoops' story is: Cops cant do their job unless they have the freedom to murder unarmed suspects...so we shouldn't prosecute murdering, scumbag cops.



So Boilerman tells us deaths are due to the Liberal policy of prosecuting alleged murderers in the police force. The moral to Boilerman's story is the same as Hoops' - and no less callous, ridiculous, or uninformed.


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