Vegas Free-for-All - Nearing Completion of Evaluation of RS system (not)

Nearing Completion of Evaluation of RS system (not)

snidely333

Nov 7, 2011
9:23pm

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Originally posted by: arcimedes

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Originally posted by: FrankKneeland
You have said it many times, and Yes Arc, people might have believed you the first couple hundred times you said it.

Anyway the truth is irrelevant, I'm telling you how you are being perceived. Perception and truth are only seldom bedfellows. If you don't care how you are perceived then it's a moot point.

P.S. I was trying to defend you and offer a plausible explanation for your seeming obsession with Rob related topics and you contradicted and refuted me. Guess that's pretty funny.

It seems I need to keep saying it because people make comments like you did. I suppose if people would just accept it then I wouldn't need to repeat myself. Makes sense to me.

I realized you were defending me, but then you made incorrect statements about me. Since those were not factual, you were corrected. Seems pretty simple to me.

You are still perceived as being obsessed with Rob Singer. You are never going to convince everyone on the Internet about Rob. You can't even sway MoneyLA.

arcimedes

Nov 7, 2011
10:11pm

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Originally posted by: snidely333

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Originally posted by: arcimedes
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Originally posted by: FrankKneeland
You have said it many times, and Yes Arc, people might have believed you the first couple hundred times you said it.

Anyway the truth is irrelevant, I'm telling you how you are being perceived. Perception and truth are only seldom bedfellows. If you don't care how you are perceived then it's a moot point.

P.S. I was trying to defend you and offer a plausible explanation for your seeming obsession with Rob related topics and you contradicted and refuted me. Guess that's pretty funny.

It seems I need to keep saying it because people make comments like you did. I suppose if people would just accept it then I wouldn't need to repeat myself. Makes sense to me.

I realized you were defending me, but then you made incorrect statements about me. Since those were not factual, you were corrected. Seems pretty simple to me.

You are still perceived as being obsessed with Rob Singer. You are never going to convince everyone on the Internet about Rob. You can't even sway MoneyLA.

What you don't understand is I don't care. I posted on Money's forum when there was essentially no one else there (really only a couple of others). And, yes, I realize that most of it is about the same as convincing a partisan democrat to be a republican (and vice versa). What you don't understand is how I use these discussions.

In addition, Singer is also perceived as obsessed with me. He continually creates alias IDs to come on fora where he is banned and take shots at me. I find this extremely amusing since he eventually makes a fool out of himself and fades away. Then, later he reappears again. Come on, you don't see the humor in that? His complete desperation?

FrankKneeland

Nov 8, 2011
12:10am

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Originally posted by: arcimedes

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Originally posted by: FrankKneeland
You have said it many times, and Yes Arc, people might have believed you the first couple hundred times you said it.

Anyway the truth is irrelevant, I'm telling you how you are being perceived. Perception and truth are only seldom bedfellows. If you don't care how you are perceived then it's a moot point.

P.S. I was trying to defend you and offer a plausible explanation for your seeming obsession with Rob related topics and you contradicted and refuted me. Guess that's pretty funny.

I stand corrected. And no I'm not being sarcastic. Good luck in all your endeavors.

snidely333

Nov 8, 2011
1:15am

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Denial aint just a river in Egypt.

KayPea

Nov 8, 2011
2:39am

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Originally posted by: arcimedes
I find this extremely amusing since he eventually makes a fool out of himself and fades away. Then, later he reappears again. Come on, you don't see the humor in that? His complete desperation?

Singer or arcimedes?

I see no difference between Singer and arcimedes. The both show up on message boards, spout nonsense for a while, ignite their passions, resort to name calling, and then eventually get a room and make up. Only to reappear a few months later and do it all over again. It's like that sad old married couple that pretend to be strangers and meet up in a bar, role playing for a one night stand, in order to rekindle their love life.

arcimedes

Nov 8, 2011
2:53am

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Originally posted by: KayPea

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Originally posted by: arcimedes
I find this extremely amusing since he eventually makes a fool out of himself and fades away. Then, later he reappears again. Come on, you don't see the humor in that? His complete desperation?

We're exactly the same, yup, you called that one.

FrankKneeland

Nov 8, 2011
3:05am

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Originally posted by: snidely333
Denial aint just a river in Egypt.

I assume this is in reference to Arci. I would like you to consider the possibility that we are judging Arci by his actions rather than his motivation. Yes, it's a bias. We look at what he says and does, but we see it only through our own emotional lenses. For us it would require obsession to have kept up this level and intensity of activity for so long. But that's us. He may have a different lifestyle with extra time to kill and for him this really could be a fun pastime. I do not understand how that is possible, because I'm not him. But I understand that not being able to understand other people's motives is normal.

At the very least we should not imprint our motivational imperatives onto another individuals and assume they are doing something for the same reasons we would. I recommend benefit of the doubt. Doesn't really matter to us anyway either way, why not concede it and let his statements stand. It's not like he said something about your sister. He said something about himself.

Guess that's all I had to add.

arcimedes

Nov 8, 2011
7:54am

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Come on, Frank. You're taking away all the fun. You really are very close to the truth but what's there to learn about people if they never disagree about anything?

FrankKneeland

Nov 8, 2011
10:21am

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Originally posted by: arcimedes
Come on, Frank. You're taking away all the fun. You really are very close to the truth but what's there to learn about people if they never disagree about anything?

That's me Frank KillJoy. Guilty as charged. And...

~Sometimes, only in the shadow of criticism, does ignorance wither.

MoneyLA

Nov 8, 2011
10:23am

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Originally posted by: FrankKneeland

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Frank I'm afraid we can't discuss RS until we decide what language to use. Isn't that something like you said on my forum? Miscommunication?

Yes I thought we just had. You understand now that if Rob doesn't exactly follow the mathematical approach, mathematicians consider that to be disputing the math.

Therefore when you say, "Rob doesn't dispute the math", everyone jumps down your throat and calls you a lier.

Instead of: "Rob doesn't dispute the math".

Try this: "Rob chooses not to follow the mathematically optimal strategy because he believes more than math is required to gain an edge in video poker. He doesn't dispute the equations themselves, only their application. He admits 2+2 = 4 he just doesn't think it applies to this situation."

If you use this alternate version, you're essentially saying the same thing more accurately and you'll get far less abuse.

Well Frank I think I said that all along and you correctly summed up Rob's strategy as well when you said he doesn't think the math play applies to every situation.

I gave the analogy about craps: if you played by the math you would only bet the pass or don't pass--- period. Every other bet does not apply to the math of the game.

So I guess that every craps player who ever bet the field or the horn or placed th 4 is a madman like RS?

This whole thing was just a silly waste and put everybody in a tizzy.

If any of the math guys ever believed in the math they'd never set foot in a casino.

More importantly how was the big date and what about a wedding?

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