Nearing Completion of Evaluation of RS system (not)

Oobiedoobie wrote:

" he not only makes unjustifiable adjustments but also plays machine that have an irreversible house advantage.."

Where does Singer say to play lower paying paytables? This is one of the great misunderstandings.
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Originally posted by: FrankKneeland
I'm Frank Kneeland and I'd like to support this post. I particularly liked the tone and style.


I agree. I thing it was a well written post that acknowledges that different styles of play may or may not be beneficial depending on your goals.
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Originally posted by: KayPea
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
However, this is not what Singer claims.


What does Singer claim? That's what I'm missing. I've heard a lot of speculation by others about his claims. I've heard about his special plays and win goals, but I've never seen what it is he claims will be the result of his system. His website is gone. I have not read his book, but also also heard is does not really cover his system. I hope Frank's 30K word essay covers the claims as you can't really evaluate the result without knowing the original claim.


So entertaining! Seeing marcus continuously posting in a frantic effort to dislodge his Singer wedgie while arcimeds apparently had to post FOUR in a row to keep from choking on his own anxiety made reading this thread even more interesting than the Shar is MIA one!

KP, I've read one of his books and many of his Gambling Today columns along with his old website. What the obsessed ones here are not telling you is that Singer was not one of these holyer than thou APs and he was not a recreational player. He was a professional video poker player for 10 or 12 years who claims to have netted just about one million dollars from doing what is riling up all the math creeps here with his special play system. His book & site gets under the skin of his critics because he goes after them and their haha winning theories like no one ever has. What I've always liked about him is how he doesn't hide from anyone, and as a poster on the Wizard of Odds forum I watched as he was lambasted by the conglomeration of math people there yet offered challenges and to debate them all, and they just withered in the wind, much like the LVA people did when he challenged them in a LV paper that he could prove both his winnings from the past and forward by playing his strategy in front of them.

How many of these math wizards have ever offered to prove their winnings other than to say how the math is all they require for proof? Yeah right, just believe them and their theories and how they win so much. BS. That's why arcimeds is so uptight and overly obsessed about this guy. That and the total destruction his personal life took from Singer on Rex.

Oh yeah now get ready for the arcimeds etc. BS about me being Singer just because I hit the same nail as he would hard again.

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Oobiedoobie wrote:

" he not only makes unjustifiable adjustments but also plays machine that have an irreversible house advantage.."

Where does Singer say to play lower paying paytables? This is one of the great misunderstandings.


I apologize Money, I incorrectly assumed that you had read at least some posts from his former website.

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Originally posted by: Normscash
He was a professional video poker player for 10 or 12 years who claims to have netted just about one million dollars from doing what is riling up all the math creeps here with his special play system.


For good reason. If he claims his system can make you a long term winner, then he's been sniffing glue.
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Originally posted by: Normscash
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Originally posted by: KayPea
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
However, this is not what Singer claims.


What does Singer claim? That's what I'm missing. I've heard a lot of speculation by others about his claims. I've heard about his special plays and win goals, but I've never seen what it is he claims will be the result of his system. His website is gone. I have not read his book, but also also heard is does not really cover his system. I hope Frank's 30K word essay covers the claims as you can't really evaluate the result without knowing the original claim.


So entertaining! Seeing marcus continuously posting in a frantic effort to dislodge his Singer wedgie while arcimeds apparently had to post FOUR in a row to keep from choking on his own anxiety made reading this thread even more interesting than the Shar is MIA one!

KP, I've read one of his books and many of his Gambling Today columns along with his old website. What the obsessed ones here are not telling you is that Singer was not one of these holyer than thou APs and he was not a recreational player. He was a professional video poker player for 10 or 12 years who claims to have netted just about one million dollars from doing what is riling up all the math creeps here with his special play system. His book & site gets under the skin of his critics because he goes after them and their haha winning theories like no one ever has. What I've always liked about him is how he doesn't hide from anyone, and as a poster on the Wizard of Odds forum I watched as he was lambasted by the conglomeration of math people there yet offered challenges and to debate them all, and they just withered in the wind, much like the LVA people did when he challenged them in a LV paper that he could prove both his winnings from the past and forward by playing his strategy in front of them.

How many of these math wizards have ever offered to prove their winnings other than to say how the math is all they require for proof? Yeah right, just believe them and their theories and how they win so much. BS. That's why arcimeds is so uptight and overly obsessed about this guy. That and the total destruction his personal life took from Singer on Rex.

Oh yeah now get ready for the arcimeds etc. BS about me being Singer just because I hit the same nail as he would hard again.


You seem to be looking at this from only one point of view. Whether or not Singer is right, the math folks would eventually stop arguing if they felt it was pointless and they weren't changing opinion. The phrase "flogging a dead horse comes to mind".

A perfectly good alternative explanation for all the events you described exists without Singer having to be correct about anything. All this is covered.

I am offering both possibilities in my report, because the one thing I think we should all avoid is making our mind up about things and then spinning all incoming data to support our preconceived and now inviolate ideas.

That's not good science.
And people will dissect your dossier to pull out the salient points that support their hypothesis.
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Originally posted by: snidely333
And people will dissect your dossier to pull out the salient points that support their hypothesis.


Yes of course, and you forgot to mention that if you only offer one side, then you'll be accused of being biased or brilliant depending on which side you took.

I'm shooting for the middle ground, I think it was a continent between Europe and the Americas...starts with an "A" ends with a "s"... I think. Let's hope my middle ground not as hard to find and has a better ending.
This one is too easy, I'll take a pass.
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Originally posted by: KayPea
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
However, this is not what Singer claims.


What does Singer claim? That's what I'm missing. I've heard a lot of speculation by others about his claims. I've heard about his special plays and win goals, but I've never seen what it is he claims will be the result of his system. His website is gone. I have not read his book, but also also heard is does not really cover his system. I hope Frank's 30K word essay covers the claims as you can't really evaluate the result without knowing the original claim.


Singer has stated many times the return of the machine is unimportant. In fact, he stated that recently on Alan's forum. He has stated that people will NOT win playing positive games using optimal play and they will win using his system on negative games.

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