Vegas Free-for-All - Nearing Completion of Evaluation of RS system (not)

Nearing Completion of Evaluation of RS system (not)

MoneyLA

Nov 20, 2011
4:18am

Oobiedoobie. If I recall Rob said something about rarely reaching the high denomination games or ever having had big losses. As I posted above a $2500 win goal on $10 VP is not extraordinary. What is extraordinary is his discipline to quit for the trip... As illogical that might be according to the math guys.

Try this yourself: set a win goal relative to Singer's on the game you play. On a $1 game make your win goal $250 and ask yourself how different your bottom line would be if you stopped every time you had a $250 profit?

arcimedes

Nov 20, 2011
4:24am

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Snidely this info is NOT for Frank. Its meant for everyone else who thinks Singer advocates playing machines with poor paytables. If your going to criticize Singer just be sure you have the right info. Singer's biggest problem is that "his reputation precedes him" and hearsay has become "fact". I know that Frank has spent time with Singer but for the most part none of you ever spoke with him directly.

Once again with the silly strawman arguments. The claim has always been Singer claims paytables don't matter, not that he intentionally plays poor paytables. And, you know this as a fact as I have stated it to you many times. So, why do you come on here and lie? Are you so insecure that you feel you must follow in Singer's footsteps?

Now, answer the actual question. Does Singer claim that paytables don't matter?

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I returned to talk about Singer only because I know the guy and I understand most of his system. I don't play his way but I see some value in it. I just want him to get a fair shake. His play isn't really much different
from how most recreational players play the game. He runs into problems from the APs and the math experts who see the purpose of playing differently.

Nothing will ever be resolved by Frank or me or anyone else because Rob's system has different goals than anyone who plays strictly by the math.

So, if Singer's goal is not to win money, exactly what is it? Oh, the goal is to win money? Then why are you claiming he has "different goals"?

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Actually there is really only one question: did Rob really win nearly a million dollars playing video poker? To me the proof of his method is what's on his tax forms. That's all the proof I need to know there is something right about how he played. A lot of you are going to say he played "wrong" and he did play "wrong"... All the way to the bank.

Well, let's see Singer's tax forms. When are you going to post them?

As for playing "wrong", that's still not the question, never has been. Anyone can play anyway they want. The only question is whether his system is a good method for FUTURE play. Again, you've been told this umpteen times and yet here you are again repeating worthless comments. When will you get a clue?

arcimedes

Nov 20, 2011
4:36am

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Oobiedoobie. If I recall Rob said something about rarely reaching the high denomination games or ever having had big losses. As I posted above a $2500 win goal on $10 VP is not extraordinary. What is extraordinary is his discipline to quit for the trip... As illogical that might be according to the math guys.

Try this yourself: set a win goal relative to Singer's on the game you play. On a $1 game make your win goal $250 and ask yourself how different your bottom line would be if you stopped every time you had a $250 profit?

Are you really this ignorant of Singer's SPS? It's a progression, it is not a single denomination. It's starts a $1 and progresses to $25 (or $100). When he was at 250 sessions he claims he only lost 3 times. That's a win rate of almost 99% when math predicts 75-80%. Was he really that lucky? Or, are you a gullible guy? I know which one I believe.

Don

Nov 20, 2011
4:42am

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MoneyLA

Nov 20, 2011
4:55am

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Arc there is nothing left for me to say to you. Except that you're full of baloney and you have no idea how Singer plays. If he hits his $2500 goal at the $1 level there is no need for a progression.

KayPea

Nov 20, 2011
5:03am

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Originally posted by: a2a3dseddie

I guess my big question is, if Rob Singer really is prepared to lose $57,200 in order to try and win $2500?

That's not unusual for a system when you increase your bets if you hit a losing streak in order to quickly recover previous loses. A lot of times it works, but the trade off is a few times you end up with a really big loss. That's OK if it is an acceptable trade off to you.

The part I wonder about is the relatively small win goal compared to the bankroll. Basically you go straight home (no stopping for milk and bread on the way) if you hit a 4% win. That's like buying in for $500 at a $5 craps table and going home after making one point. Where's the fun in that?

KayPea

Nov 20, 2011
5:08am

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
If he hits his $2500 goal at the $1 level there is no need for a progression.

What if he doesn't hit $2500 at the $1 level?

MoneyLA

Nov 20, 2011
5:26am

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Originally posted by: KayPea

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
If he hits his $2500 goal at the $1 level there is no need for a progression.

What if he doesn't hit $2500 at the $1 level?

I don't know. I don't know when he moves up in denomination. He has said something about moving up after losing 300 credits. He did tell me that most of his play and win goals are met at the $10 level.

Rob reads this forum. He can post his answers to the questions on mine. You are free to copy and paste them here. There is no copyright on my forum. Righthaven won't come after you. LOL

KayPea

Nov 20, 2011
5:54am

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So, according to Singer's publicist, Singer starts at $1 and eventually "moves up" to $10 where "most of his play and win goals are met". But this system is not a progression.

Money, one question for you about win goals since this is something you find appealing about the Singer system. Would you personally go home after buying into a $5 craps table for $500 and making one point to meet your win goal?

MoneyLA

Nov 20, 2011
6:26am

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Originally posted by: KayPea
So, according to Singer's publicist, Singer starts at $1 and eventually "moves up" to $10 where "most of his play and win goals are met". But this system is not a progression.

Money, one question for you about win goals since this is something you find appealing about the Singer system. Would you personally go home after buying into a $5 craps table for $500 and making one point to meet your win goal?

Let's see. How many ways can I say No ?

NO. I'm not his publicist. I wanted to report on what Singer's system is all about. I said so on my website.

NO. I don't play progressions at craps or video poker.

NO. I don't even follow Rob's system. But I like his idea aboutt win goals.

And Kaypea. On my website are some of the TV stories I did with Anthony and I think maybe a radio show I did with him too. Does that make me Anthony's publicist?

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