Nearing Completion of Evaluation of RS system (not)

But the secret long shot plays is what he claims to be the answer which is why they get so much focus. It's the craps equivalent of switching to playing the hard way bets if your pass line bets are losing, and if the hard way bets start to lose, then double the amount of your bet until you win (or lose $57K).

I have not read the Fox & the Grapes, but I have had the story paraphrased to me verbally before.

Thank you Kaypea. I used to think that also. I was the one who came up with the analogy of the horn and hardway bets at craps. I was wrong. As I talked to Rob more I realized two things:

1. For the most part he plays a conventional strategy

2. It is easy to hit a $2500 win goal at $10 video poker.

The "special plays" are not played when Rob is winning using conventional strategy. Get over it. That's only "sizzle" and the "steak" is that $2500 win goal playing conventional VP.

Now do the "special plays" work? When he gets lucky they do.

That's it. End of story.

It is also easy to never hit that $2500 win goal and lose $52000 at $10VP.

Snidely next time you play your 25 cent game quit when you're ahead $62.50 and you'll be playing the Singer system.

I play $5 bonus and nine times out of ten there is a point where I am up $1250 but only give it all back trying to hit a royal. And that's without any "special plays".

So do you think the key to his long term success is playing conventional strategy on $10 machines?

Kaypea the simple answer is yes.

Let's not forget something else. While Rob has told us he can win on lesser paytables when it comes down to it he plays the best paytables. If you recall the challenge with Dan the hang up was that Rob needed to play in both LV and Laughlin because only in Laughlin was there a certain high $$ machine with the best paytable.

Everybody got wrapped up in the "special plays" and frankly I don't think Rob uses the special plays 5 percent of the time, rather I think he'll use a special play 5 percent of the time it presents itself. So let's do the math:

What is 5 percent of 5 percent? One of you math guys answer that for me.

And if he is ahead he NEVER makes a special play.

What doesn't change is his money management.

Since you already play conventional strategy, then why don't you move up from $5 to $10 machines and become a big winner like Rob?

Interesting that you intepret the Singer system to mean that. You made a ratio of play level to the win goal. I see it more as a ratio of the bankroll to the win goal. If Singer's win goal is $2500 and his bankroll is $52000: 2500/52000 = 5%

Therefore, if I bring $100 with me to Vegas to gamble with, I'd stop gambling (for the session) after I'm up $5. I think the ratio of win goal to bankroll is the proper way to look at it not ratio of the bet level to win goal.

If I quit playing $5 VP with a $1250 win I'd be a big winner.

So do that! Easy money, Money! At Singer's rate you'll win an extra $50,000 per year just by going home early!