Nearing Completion of Evaluation of RS system (not)

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Originally posted by: KayPea
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
Anyone think money is bothering to read any of this?


Read? Yes. Understand? No.

The secret to any good system is for it to have lots of mysterious and complicated twists and turns that enable it to overcome the house edge. If it was too simple than anyone could follow it without the need for books, seminars, and personal training sessions.


Exxxxxxxactly. One of the surefire signs of a CON is when something that should be simple gets really, really complicated. Those magic elixir special plays, all 1700+ of them, require lots and lots of personal training with you know who's player's card racking up all the points.
If that is the definition of con then Dancer is far guiltier than Singer.

I think Singer a crackpot but not dishonest from what I've read.
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Originally posted by: KayPea
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
Anyone think money is bothering to read any of this?


Read? Yes. Understand? No.



pretty much.

DonDiego has a request:
Can someone provide one or more examples of the "special plays" to which those more familiar with Mr. Singer's "system" refer? [If the system comprises i.conventional optimal pay and ii.special plays, DonDiego really cannot comprehend it without knowing what a special play is.]

Dondiego simply Google "rob singer special plays video" and you will see Rob's major examples and his reasoning for each.
I’ve been following along with many of the Rob Singer threads , and finally decided to put pen to paper (fingers to keyboard?) and add my worthless 2 cents.

I am neither a professional VP player / mathematician like Arcimedes, nor a philosopher / scientist like Frank Kneeland. I do have some formal education in these areas however, and do understand what is being debated here. I am a pharmacist by profession, and as strange as this might sound, I encounter everyday in my community practice what is being hotly discussed here – human nature (not the Las Vegas show), those who are trying to take advantage of it (either consciously or not), and those who are vocal and against it. Let me explain.

Everyday, I am asked for my opinion on a variety of over the counter medications, prescription drugs and weight loss products. I’ll stick with the weight loss products because that analogy works the best.

If you go into any Walgreens or CVS pharmacy you’ll see dozens of weight loss “systems” and products for sale. I read recently that $42 BILLION DOLLARS is spent on weight loss products and services annually by Americans. Do any of them work? Not in the way the people selling these products want you to believe.

Does that mean that Subway and Jared are both lying pieces of sh*t? No. Jared legitimately lost some weight and Subway saw his “every man” looks as a potential marketing gold mine. They neglect to tell you that he was probably consuming the 6 inch vegetable subs, and walking 10 miles a day.

Anyways, to Arcimedes. I agree with you 100%. The math backs you up on everything you have posted. But if we are going only by the math, you have to admit that it is certainly possible for Rob Singer to have made his $1 million playing the way he does. He could have gotten lucky with his “special plays” and he may very well have been on the favourable end of standard deviation. His “system” may have worked for him, but his results are certainly not consistently reproducible because the math of the game and his special plays work against him. Like all the people selling those weight loss programs to those gullible people wanting to believe there is an “easy way” I think Rob Singer is just taking advantage of human nature. Due to confirmation bias, he may really believe his “system” works. I do feel though that if we are going to lynch Rob Singer, then we might as well go after Jenny Craig, Jared from Subway, Marie Osmond and Tony Little.

To MoneyLa, in all fairness, I think you get a lot of undeserved hate here. With some of your posts, I don’t really know if you are conducting some type of psychological experiment on everyone (ala Frank Kneeland ) or if you actually believe in Rob Singer’s “System”. Money management is a myth. Wouldn’t everyone here be fabulously wealthy if we all quit when we were ahead during all our gambling sessions? If you plan on going back to a casino to play after you’ve won money, that money is just on temporary loan from the casino.

I’m afraid all of this won’t even matter in a few years. With casinos struggling, it’s only a matter of time before ALL perks on Video Poker (i.e. cashback, comps, draws, players’ points) will be downgraded or done away with. At that time we’ll all be looking at negative expectation propositions. I’m glad I still have a day job…for now.

I reported on Rob's system because I was curious about it, the same way I've reported on other gaming authors and companies. Anyone who bothered to read my website or viewed my videos would know the truth.

I leave the "evaluations" to others. I just wanted Rob to be treated fairly.

Thanks for your post a2a.
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Originally posted by: a2a3dseddie

I am neither a professional VP player


Don't worry about that-no one else is either.
Some have delusions...

I was torn when reading a2a3dseddie post to stay silent or add anything. It's so well thought out I'll settle for merely acknowledging that I have read it and allow my silence to say the rest.

In games of chance the unexpected is commonplace, only the expected should ever really surprise you. ~Frank's Law
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Originally posted by: a2a3dseddie
I’ve been following along with many of the Rob Singer threads , and finally decided to put pen to paper (fingers to keyboard?) and add my worthless 2 cents.

I am neither a professional VP player / mathematician like Arcimedes, nor a philosopher / scientist like Frank Kneeland. I do have some formal education in these areas however, and do understand what is being debated here. I am a pharmacist by profession, and as strange as this might sound, I encounter everyday in my community practice what is being hotly discussed here – human nature (not the Las Vegas show), those who are trying to take advantage of it (either consciously or not), and those who are vocal and against it. Let me explain.

Everyday, I am asked for my opinion on a variety of over the counter medications, prescription drugs and weight loss products. I’ll stick with the weight loss products because that analogy works the best.

If you go into any Walgreens or CVS pharmacy you’ll see dozens of weight loss “systems” and products for sale. I read recently that $42 BILLION DOLLARS is spent on weight loss products and services annually by Americans. Do any of them work? Not in the way the people selling these products want you to believe.

Does that mean that Subway and Jared are both lying pieces of sh*t? No. Jared legitimately lost some weight and Subway saw his “every man” looks as a potential marketing gold mine. They neglect to tell you that he was probably consuming the 6 inch vegetable subs, and walking 10 miles a day.

Anyways, to Arcimedes. I agree with you 100%. The math backs you up on everything you have posted. But if we are going only by the math, you have to admit that it is certainly possible for Rob Singer to have made his $1 million playing the way he does. He could have gotten lucky with his “special plays” and he may very well have been on the favourable end of standard deviation. His “system” may have worked for him, but his results are certainly not consistently reproducible because the math of the game and his special plays work against him. Like all the people selling those weight loss programs to those gullible people wanting to believe there is an “easy way” I think Rob Singer is just taking advantage of human nature. Due to confirmation bias, he may really believe his “system” works. I do feel though that if we are going to lynch Rob Singer, then we might as well go after Jenny Craig, Jared from Subway, Marie Osmond and Tony Little.

To MoneyLa, in all fairness, I think you get a lot of undeserved hate here. With some of your posts, I don’t really know if you are conducting some type of psychological experiment on everyone (ala Frank Kneeland ) or if you actually believe in Rob Singer’s “System”. Money management is a myth. Wouldn’t everyone here be fabulously wealthy if we all quit when we were ahead during all our gambling sessions? If you plan on going back to a casino to play after you’ve won money, that money is just on temporary loan from the casino.

I’m afraid all of this won’t even matter in a few years. With casinos struggling, it’s only a matter of time before ALL perks on Video Poker (i.e. cashback, comps, draws, players’ points) will be downgraded or done away with. At that time we’ll all be looking at negative expectation propositions. I’m glad a still have a day job…for now.



Well said, It is possible, whether its 1 in 2 or 1 in a billion, the Math says its possible. The Math also says doing a perfect Math play can run into horrible luck too, also whether its 1 in 2 or 1 in a billion
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