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FrankKneeland
FrankKneeland
Dec 2, 2011
7:08am
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
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Originally posted by: a2a3dseddie
Arcimedes, this discussion is not getting anywhere. Why don't you just show MoneyLA that you have won more than the $1 million Rob Singer has with optimal play VP and end this now?


First of all it wouldn't prove a thing. Even if I were a million ahead that doesn't mean others couldn't have won millions.

Also, I wouldn't lie about it. Most of my VP career has been playing quarters. Not going to make a million too fast that way. However, I am making progress and playing dollars these days, so one day I may be able to make that claim.

Ok, you were just being funny, but it does make one wonder whether it would affect Money's opinion simply if I claimed I was $2 million ahead.


It is mildly amusing to me that I have always been careful not to metnion my success or results as a pro gambler, because I was at least partially afraid it would weaken my position. I was taught that results are the flimsiest and least relevant aspect of anything involving randomness.

My current favorite example is of the worlds most successful stock prognosticator that correctly predicted which way the market would turn 18 out of 19 years. And no I would not follow him, because he made his predictions based on which devision won the world series.

Where randomness is involved, you have to look at the process not the outcome. So few people understand this.
LurkerPoster
LurkerPoster
Dec 2, 2011
8:38am
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Frank, that's probably because you have a normal functional brain and you're actually aware of your surroundings while some others........well......

@Singer, since you only deal in facts.....Look at the numer of Bagiant topics on the first page of this FVA forum and accumulate the number of thread views compared to the number of thread views for the single topic about you...........the math is so simple even you should be able to make that accumulation. Bagiant is way ahead of you although I don't really know which one of you is making more sense.....happy trailer park life . This is not about the number of replies....it's all about how many people are actually interested to read the stuff.........

But I completely agree with DonDiego's last 4 posts. They make as much sense as possible!
melbedewy
melbedewy
Dec 2, 2011
8:49am
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
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Most of Singer's special plays are not "stabs at luck". They reduce the chances that luck will lead to a win. The fact you keep making this statement after I have shown you repeated examples otherwise is cause for concern about your sanity.

Oh yeah, Singer has stated many times that pay tables do not matter and that he doesn't care about them.


Now wait a minute. What I remember of Singer's system is that he played most of his time on a positive game, 10-6 DDB.
Meanwhile, Dancer's system relies (just read his columns) on playing exclusively NEGATIVE games and creating a profit (whether real or imagined) out of welfare checks, cruise tickets, drawings, logo jackets, 6 packs, gas cards, etc. If I remember right, Dancer's system resulted in him paying $70K for a $30K car-then having to pay taxes on the car!
No way baby. Dancer's system and Singer's system are more 2 sides of the same coin than either one of them, or their acolytes, want to admit.

RoadTrip
RoadTrip
Dec 2, 2011
8:53am
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arc, I hope you are two million dollars ahead. I'm sure Singer isn't the only one in the world who has won and is ahead playing video poker.


Money.....

I just do not understand why you, almost incessantly, question every one about almost anything while seeming to doubt their information, and yet have not asked Singer to prove his claim to having won a million dollars.

Yet, you claim to be non biased.

How is that?

And, do you really think that anyone doubting you is wrong in doing so?




Don
Don
Dec 2, 2011
8:56am
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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
But I completely agree with DonDiego's last 4 posts. They make as much sense as possible!
DonDiego thanks LurkerPoster for his kind assessment.
4 sensible posts out of 5615 isn't bad at all for an internet discussion group.

snidely333
snidely333
Dec 2, 2011
9:05am
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
But I completely agree with DonDiego's last 4 posts. They make as much sense as possible!
DonDiego thanks LurkerPoster for his kind assessment.
4 sensible posts out of 5615 isn't bad at all for an internet discussion group.


yeah, but now you're on a roll. Now, don't screw it up.
LurkerPoster
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Dec 2, 2011
5:52pm
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
But I completely agree with DonDiego's last 4 posts. They make as much sense as possible!
DonDiego thanks LurkerPoster for his kind assessment.
4 sensible posts out of 5615 isn't bad at all for an internet discussion group.



@DonDiego, please allow me some time to read some of the other 5611 posts as well. Chances are the count of sensible posts will go up




But dear DonDiego, don't you just love the quality of Singer's posts on "the other forum"?

"Since I see how easy it's been to get on "lurker's" nerves, let's give it another spin! Obviously, anyone who can't get enough of the most famous and well known (thanks to all the attention) personality in the vp world, will follow me around as much as arcimedes always has. But don't feel bad - he just can't help himelf and now you know you can't

I find it interesting how Frank puts no weight on results when it comes to random events. Any scientist will tell you that data points plotted from the outcome of random events provides a history, and that history is the most important and applicable measurement of what has occurred as well as what should happen going forward. The biggest curse of AP's is in their inability to deal with reality....always preferring to take the virtual reality path of theory rather than taking any issue straight on. And this is EXACTLY why Frank and all the other vp gurus and self-proclaimed AP's have always been afraid to see me prove out my play strategy in front of their own eyes. So many excuses....so many denials.

Now BAGIANT's trying to get more views by adding sex with that white trash slut into one of his threads. Oh dear, lurker....let's see if you get this: It's the number of replies that measures interest. Views are for....wait....LURKERS!!!

I like the reference to "trailer parks"! Yeah there's a few permanent local slugs who'll never go anywhere because they do actually live in trailers. Yet how funny it is relaxing in this new beast that cost waay more than a 4000 sq. ft. house in LV. And uh-oh....they're all over the place here!"




Let me do some analysis.......Singer claims to get on Lurker's nerves very easy. Lurker follows Singer around everywhere he shows up. But yet Singer lives in an RV, expresses not to care about anything that is said about him telling the truth or not, Lurker does not get on his nerves because he's too succesful, famous and rich for that. But still he finds the time and has the need to respond to everything that Lurker says within a couple of hours...........This turns out to be a pretty funny and enjoyable game for me. Lurker has been pushing Singer's and MoneyLa's buttons and it was dreadfully easy.

Don
Don
Dec 2, 2011
8:24pm
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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
But dear DonDiego, don't you just love the quality of Singer's posts on "the other forum"?
DonDiego has no opinion on the quality of Mr. Singer's posts, here or elsewhere. DonDiego suggests that one need not form an opinion on everything, . . . and if one chooses to do so, one should do so with deliberation.

"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons, the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas."
___Charles Stewart, Haud Immemor. Reminescences of Legal and Social Life in Edinburgh and London. 1850-1900, 1901

DonDiego prefers to talk about things.

: : : : : EDITED TO ADD : : : : :

DonDiego just checked out "the other forum".

He is pleased to announce that he received a favorable mention from Rob.Singer, himself:
"Don Diego, while not nearly as dense as these two [arcimedes and LurkerPoster], seems to be caught up in the negative game/positive game myth . . ."

DonDiego thanks Mr. Singer for his kind words.

arcimedes
arcimedes
Dec 3, 2011
1:39am
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"negative game/positive game myth"

Didn't Money just tell us that Singer only played "the best available paytables"?
FrankKneeland
FrankKneeland
Dec 3, 2011
7:27am
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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
But I completely agree with DonDiego's last 4 posts. They make as much sense as possible!
DonDiego thanks LurkerPoster for his kind assessment.
4 sensible posts out of 5615 isn't bad at all for an internet discussion group.



@DonDiego, please allow me some time to read some of the other 5611 posts as well. Chances are the count of sensible posts will go up




But dear DonDiego, don't you just love the quality of Singer's posts on "the other forum"?

"Since I see how easy it's been to get on "lurker's" nerves, let's give it another spin! Obviously, anyone who can't get enough of the most famous and well known (thanks to all the attention) personality in the vp world, will follow me around as much as arcimedes always has. But don't feel bad - he just can't help himelf and now you know you can't

I find it interesting how Frank puts no weight on results when it comes to random events. Any scientist will tell you that data points plotted from the outcome of random events provides a history, and that history is the most important and applicable measurement of what has occurred as well as what should happen going forward. The biggest curse of AP's is in their inability to deal with reality....always preferring to take the virtual reality path of theory rather than taking any issue straight on. And this is EXACTLY why Frank and all the other vp gurus and self-proclaimed AP's have always been afraid to see me prove out my play strategy in front of their own eyes. So many excuses....so many denials.

Now BAGIANT's trying to get more views by adding sex with that white trash slut into one of his threads. Oh dear, lurker....let's see if you get this: It's the number of replies that measures interest. Views are for....wait....LURKERS!!!

I like the reference to "trailer parks"! Yeah there's a few permanent local slugs who'll never go anywhere because they do actually live in trailers. Yet how funny it is relaxing in this new beast that cost waay more than a 4000 sq. ft. house in LV. And uh-oh....they're all over the place here!"

Let me do some analysis.......Singer claims to get on Lurker's nerves very easy. Lurker follows Singer around everywhere he shows up. But yet Singer lives in an RV, expresses not to care about anything that is said about him telling the truth or not, Lurker does not get on his nerves because he's too succesful, famous and rich for that. But still he finds the time and has the need to respond to everything that Lurker says within a couple of hours...........This turns out to be a pretty funny and enjoyable game for me. Lurker has been pushing Singer's and MoneyLa's buttons and it was dreadfully easy.


Interesting quote from Rob and highly indicative of one of the primary issues I have been having with him. Whenever he comments on what AP's or I am saying, typical after CAPITALIZED words, the part that comes after is never EXACTLY what I meant. Sometimes it's close, but almost never spot on. I believe this is the language disconnect. I don't think he's intentionally misquoting me, I just think what I say and what he hears are not the same thing.

For the record: results do have some meaning if they are in support of predicted probability and have a plausible theory of causation. They also have to be of a quantity to be statistically significant. In Rob's case he does not have enough lifetime play to reject the null hypothesis with more than about 50% significance. That doesn't mean his results mean nothing, it means they cannot prove his system with a high enough statistical significance by themselves. And they are by themselves, because probability math does not support the efficacy of his system. Therefore, his results are contrary to predicted expectancy and would require an even greater sample size than normal to reject or accept the null hypothesis of mere chance.

His results also mean he's up money and I happen to think that's cool. I always like to hear about anyone making money, whether it be by chance or skill.

As far as why I haven't asked to see him play I'd have to watch him everyday for about a year for it to mean anything. I really don't have that kind of time. I'd be happy to watch as a novelty, I just don't see it meaning anything. Maybe the day I go to see him he wins or loses doesn't prove anything either way. If anyone thinks there's a point to it I'll, be happy to do it.
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